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Upshot;
The right will lose virtually every realistic civil war scenario because
>The GOP will never go against the system
>All institutions are loyal to the ((( left ))) Jewish indications my own
>Comparisons with Afghanistan & Vietnam are not applicable to an insurgency within the US
>the military & police will not defect Who would they even defect to? We have no large organization for them to even defect to. See Syria as an example of what military defection takes
>attacking infrastructure will just alienate the population
>the right is incredibly disorganized and fractured. Moreso than the left. There is a LOT of backstabbing on the right.
>the right is an exceptionally low trust society and everyone calls everyone else a fed
>Conservatives won't even sacrifice a weekend to protest abortion, which they claim is as bad as the holocaust, they're not going to sacrifice their lives for freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYYgcGjrP0
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Don't think of it as left vs right. Not even the kikes see it that way. There are White people controlled by kikes, White people not controlled by kikes but still under occupation, and White people in between. The xenophillic race traitors would get eaten.

Also, taking out infrastructure would only alienate people who benefit from the kike occupation. Those people are useless anyway until we enslave them. Can you imagine how the average White man's life would improve if the power grid was just  a memory? Nobody would talk any shit if the power grid was gone. There would be no excuse not to teach young men everything there is to learn.

The situation now is that the kikes have a very delicate, easily-disrupted setup where they steal the resources from White men and give them to shitskins. Everything is going to get harder the longer they're able to do that. That's their whole plan.

Also, there's no such thing as a civil war, just call this one a Race war.
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>>4686
I agree. I don't believe that the left-right dichotomy is meaningful. However, since everyone else uses the terms, I feel compelled to. Elsewise, I become bogged down explaining three positions philosophy or just going into a long presentation on how wordism doesn't work in a racial society. 
Maybe I need a Mantra on this.

I also agree with you that White men would be better off without TV & internet propaganda. However, an insurgency cannot survive without public support unless they have foreign backing. We will have neither if hypothetical insurgents in a fictional scenario take out electricity for hospitals.
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>>4684 (OP) 
Do you realize many of this yt vids are just a pathetic power of suggestion propaganda to demoralize you?

Also just by looking on cathrina and other disasters where the state was involved were a pathetic failures so answer me
If a small wind in swamps of new orleans were too much for them how they are expected to hold martial law on already apathetic populus or even dare to say order 
>Infrastructure will alienate populus
Only such who are for zog and will kill themselves when power goes out within minute so this sounds like a desperate cry from their side masquarading as threat because average joe knows nothing on the brutality of insurgency warfare
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>>4701
I didn't find the video demoralizing. It's more of a reality check for the broader right if anything. As a fascist I don't exactly identify with conservatives or "the right" anyway but we should put ourselves in a position where we can use these people as anything can happen in the chaos.
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>>4702
>we should put ourselves in a position where we can use these people as anything can happen in the chaos.
If the power grid went down, National Socialist-controlled territories would have the lowest crime and be the bastions of common sense and meritocracy. From there, all the "right-wing" will rightfully come to associate the Swastika and it's followers with the will of God and the destruction of wrong things.

I mean, how would you feel if a bunch of knights wearing the Swastika came in and killed all the niggers and saved your family and neighbors? Nothing says good optics like that.
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>>4688
>We will have neither if hypothetical insurgents in a fictional scenario take out electricity for hospitals.
Just build a racist hospital powered by a racist power source. Can you imagine how many women would lick your penis if you built and maintained your own electricity supply?
>>4703
You're exactly the kind of person the video was calling out. Assuming we even manage to take a dominant position, other factions of the right still aren't going to just come to our side. We're seeing revolutionary sentiment emerge across the entire American right, and revolutionary groups don't make alliances by their very nature. Even if we are able to control any territory it's not going to be pretty until the war's over or at least cools down. It would probably be similar to the late chapters of the Turner Diaries where we enslave most of our own people just to keep ourselves from starving until we can manage to build an actual economy.
It could just as easily be done by Christian nationalists or American patriots. If a bunch of Christian knights came in, killed all the degenerates and told me this land is now part of John's Tradcath Monarchy, I still wouldn't side with them. In fact I'd probably try to undermine them in the hopes their plans fall apart in just a couple years so we can seize control.
>>4701
>>4703
Katrina did temporarily remove the authorities from the picture. I have heard tales of targeted nigger-slayings during the brief window of freedom. 

The issue is how we go from insurgency taking out power to holding territory and building hospitals.
NS insurgents will need some level of public support to operate. An insurgency is not just guys with guns shooting transformers. I believe I have read that 9 out of 10 men involved in an insurgency are supporting personnel. They work regular jobs and donate money, information, and supplies to the rebels. Even shelter and transportation.
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>>4706
>They work regular jobs and donate money, information, and supplies to the rebels. 
They wouldn't have regular jobs if the power went out. They'd be killing niggers like Hurricane Katrina.
>An insurgency is not just guys with guns shooting transformers.
Disable the grid, seal up nigger territories or move non-combatants North, and then kill niggers. Why does everyone act like my plan is to take out the power grid and then make a sandwich?
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all this talk is pointless. when the time comes and whatever happens, the wheat (not you) will be separated from the chaff (you), the men (not you) from the niggercattle (you), and the heroes (not you) from the larpers (you). hierarchies are formed naturally and organically regardless of your "who's gonna win?!!" sportsball tier rcirclejerk.
>>4709
This is simply unrealistic. If the power went out, 99% of people would just stay home. If it remained out for days, people still need to eat. I don't know what people would do in that situation but you can bet that the regime police would distribute food unless there were also race riots.
>Disable the grid, seal up nigger territories or move non-combatants North
Nationalists currently lack the manpower and organization for this kind of thing.
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>>4712
We have the manpower we just don't have the order. And you can't call it unrealistic when you're literally ignoring a real world example.
https://americanfuturist.net/katrina/
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>>4713
Maybe you're right that White people will organically organize in the event of a total government collapse. However, I don't believe that this is likely. Katrina was an isolated, fleeting event. Even in war torn countries like Ukraine, the state authority is not totally destroyed. And I do not buy the idea that hypothetical patriots knocking out power would literally cause the regime to collapse. I once did, but no longer.
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>>4731
>Katrina was an isolated, fleeting event.
Yes and we have the power to cause our own. But by being prepared to exploit it the chaos we can ensure that it's not fleeting.
>Even in war torn countries like Ukraine, the state authority is not totally destroyed.
Yes because they have more important things to worry about than their own government.
>And I do not buy the idea that hypothetical patriots knocking out power would literally cause the regime to collapse.
What are you even talking about? No one ever said the regime will collapse over night.
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>>4712
>If the power went out, 99% of women would just stay home.
FTFY.
>>4737
>No one ever said the regime will collapse over night.
ZOG could take 5 years to take down and I'd still feel fantastic every single day of it.
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>>4739
It might take 30 years to take down assuming we were ready today.
Still, that'd be the most noble 30 years in human history.

>>4737
I hope you're right & I am wrong.
Actually, while typing this response, I decided to look at the casualty stats for the Troubles in Northern Ireland to give myself an idea of what this would cost us. I was surprised to learn that the IRA suffered only a third the casualties as the British army. Given that the kind of war we're talking about would be similar to this, we might expect a similar casualty ratio, assuming we had the equivalent experience & skill as the IRA.
Since the US army + reserves is 100 times larger than the British army in NA, we can expect to only suffer ~36,800 dead + ~100,000 wounded or captured (tortured).
This is still a terrible cost, but not actually too bad given the alternative is racial extinction. 

That said, I suspect that the US military would be far more brutal than the British army was. I also suspect that our own losses would be much greater due to a lack of public support which the IRA enjoyed plus a lack of a safe heaven (Ireland) to operate from. Then there is the retard factor we must consider. I would estimate that our true losses would be between 70,000 and 150,000 dead and up to a million wounded or captured. Nevermind the civilian toll, which would be extraordinary.
>>4684 (OP) 
The assets exist but they have not been coralled into one major armed group yet. The internal division can only be vanquished by strong willed men. In due time these men will have to show up or it there won't be any chance for Whites to free themselves.
>>4686
>Also, taking out infrastructure would only alienate people who benefit from the kike occupation. 
Unless we all managed to live inawoodz or like feral niggers, we all somehow benefit from the modern infrastructure that the Jews have taken control of.
That's the whole issue, they're holding this structure as a hostage, or a shield. Like parasites.
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>>7935
>In due time these men will have to show up or it there won't be any chance for Whites to free themselves.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I hate this mentality. You must admit that if we read this sentence objectively and strip it down to its core meaning, it reads
>Keep waiting for a savior
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>>7941
The savior complex is terrible, but look at the situation. There are dozens and dozens of groups which agree on 80-90% of issues but have not united. Either a stronger leader emerges, the existing groups compete and one rises to the top, or the entire movement turns out to be nothing but talk and we all go to slow extinction.

I don't think there can be a slow build, it must by necessity be sudden and dramatic. We all feel it and that's what drives so many into the mode of "just wait and see".
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>>7941
Perhaps but for sure I know of two things:
<my own limits and physical weaknesses, and that I'm no leader whatsoever, just a smart enough guy
<the fact that no mad man worthy of leading us in radically revolutionary ways has yet emerged
So yes, I do have this mentality because I simply don't see things otherwise. Even with conservative estimates we still are hundreds of thousands spread over a whole globe but it has amounted to nothing coherent yet and no figure seems to stick out in such a way that despite all the advantages the enemy has, this figure, or these figures seem to be protected by insane luck and unseen forces.
By now like anon >>7950 said I expect this to manifest like when a dam breaks. No real build up, just cracks appearing here and there in the retentive contraption called society, nobody knowing how to stop the phenomenon or willing to do anything about it, just cowards, idiots and sellouts everywhere, and then one day it all blows up and then, sparkles!
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>>7957
I wasn't trying to demean you personally.
I'm in a similar enough boat. 
Here is the problem, and this is for >>7950 as well:
As you say,  
>There are dozens and dozens of groups which agree on 80-90% of issues but have not united.
It's pretty bizarre. But is it even possible for a leader to unite us? Every time a White man does anything productive, half of our own side calls him a fed. Ironically, Hitler started out his carrier as a literal fed, but defected. Imaging if Hitler was trying to save us all today and this was leaked. Everyone would be spamming
>NICE TRY FBI!!!!!
>YOURE GLOWING!!! YOURE GLOWING!!! YOURE GLOWING!!!!
every time Hitler spoke, anywhere, all the time, non-stop.

Furthermore, for some reason we have this purity spiral induced expectation of perfect perfection among our public figures. Anything short of this is used as an excuse to sit on our asses and congratulate ourselves about how principled we are and, "Oh why oh why won't SoMeOnE arise to dO sOmEtHiNg???"
And to be fair, a lot of those with the courage to do something other than talk leave much to be desired.

But the issue is a character one. We must solve it. We, as a group, are immature. Perhaps privation and trauma will correct our character problem and mature our race.
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>>8006
>Furthermore, for some reason we have this purity spiral induced expectation of perfect perfection among our public figures.
Are you going to shill for Trump next? Because this "purity spiral" you kvetch at is simple observational skill allowing a minimally intelligent person realize that nobody in power has our race's interests at heart, every single guy in the last decade or so that got touted as /ourguy/ turned out to be a shabbos goy, a glownigger deradicalizer, or a simple grifter lowlife. It's insane that a whole decade has passed and yet there's still ostensibly redpilled guys here that keep waiting for a public figure to personally give them the OK to behead kikes and gun down shabbos goyim. Stop fucking looking to Trump or Kanye or whoever you care to name for approval and justification, stop waiting for  the next Hitler and stop waiting for ideal circumstances to act. There's no political solution to our plight, nobody in government will stand for us, nobody in the public sphere is going to be the Chosen One. Hitler became leader of our struggle not because he was in power or because he had a public voice and a following. He attained those things because he took it upon himself to lead, because he had the initiative to unite those that were fighting for the same thing, and because he had the tenacity to see it through, come hell or high water.

The real problem here is a lack of personal responsilibity. Nobody wants to be the one to bell the cat.
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>>8007
No. However, I have noticed that literally every single man who does step forward to lead gets torn down, not by the jews but by our own side.

Let us examine who, presently, are the most influential and IRL active leaders of the national right.
Thomas Rousseau is objectively, pound for pound, the most active physically IRL leader in the American national right. In terms of raw numbers, Patriot Front is probably around 6-800 at best. However, their level of activity is surpassed by not only none on the nationalist right, but literally no organization (trump rallies are not organization) on the conservative right.
So what's wrong? Half of us will not support him because they think he is a grifter or a fed. The other half tells themselves that he isn't pure because he doesn't talk about the jews enough.

Nick Fuentez a based border hopper. He is doing the jobs White people won't do. In seriousness, he commands the attention of thousands of young men, and has actually done things IRL, which is more than most e-celebs can say. He has created a platform that, as far as I am aware, gives a place without censorship for White men to speak freely. Like Andrew Torba but without the boomer facebook vibe.
So what's wrong? Again, there's a million little nitpicks against him. Half of our side claims he is a grifter and a fed and the other half nitpicks at his ideas or say, "Well! He isn't doing ENOUGH!" from the comfort of their literally done nothing chairs.

I hate to draw a blank after a list of two but I cannot immediately think of actually active nationalists. There are several small organizations led by other men.

I fully expect you to call me a fag for even mentioning these men. But they are literally it as far as American nationalists go. This is the problem. Every single time someone steps up to do something beyond talking, we all join forces to tear them down. If Hitler existed today, we would find reasons to hate him, call him a fed, call him a grifter, and denounce him as not pure enough. I am not saying that Nick Fuentez is Hitler. What I am saying is that we need to rise above our weird, self sabotaging culture. I will proudly promote anyone who is using their time on earth to stand up for my people, even if they are not perfect beings of pure perfect perfection. 

>there's still ostensibly redpilled guys here that keep waiting for a public figure to personally give them the OK to behead kikes and gun down shabbos goyim.
That's funny since you aren't doing that either.

I stand firmly behind my position that we 
1. Can't.
2. Shouldn't
initiate combat against the system at this time. We would be destroyed. 
If you research historic conflicts, we are in the 1900s of the Easter Rising, the 1900s of the Bolshevik Revolution, the 1760s of the American Revolution. It will > never < be time to fight until we are first strong enough to sustain a political White organization. If we cannot even sustain a significant pro-White activist organization, we certainly would be obliterated if we tried to sustain a violent one. War is always more expensive than peace and there are no rules in war for the system to follow because they run the media and write the narrative.
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>>8017
>Thomas Rousseau
Have you considered the possibility that nobody supports him because nobody knows about him?
He's been doing politics for years now and he's still stuck at the level of
>literally who?

>If Hitler existed today, we would find reasons to hate him, call him a fed
akshually

Also, why none of our most clever people has even bothered getting inside and taking control of say National Alliance? Pierce once managed to get something like a million people behind him if I remember correctly.
He should have shilled Cosmotheism to get tax breaks while sliding subtle pro-White material and then proselytize ad nauseam.
Muslims have some supposedly usury free banks. Why don't we? And then when these banks have enough leverage, why wouldn't we tie them to say, huh, "Caucasian" interests?
See, there's no real strategy. Lots of talks, lots of ideology, but just no big plan, no organization, no real networking and a constant fear of being le ebil raysiss.
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>Thomas Rousseau
Looks like he's about to become slightly more famous now that Mr. X has targeted him and his group.
>>8178
>Also, why none of our most clever people has even bothered getting inside and taking control of say National Alliance? Pierce once managed to get something like a million people behind him if I remember correctly.
He never properly trained or had an accepted successor or two before he passed away, that fault is on him.
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