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How will Fascism or National Socialism fix relations between men and women? Is there any fixing what has happened, or is it largely a case of removing the muddlers and the natural relations will restore themselves as a matter of course?

What is essential:
>ensuring a father can support an entire family, getting women out of the work-force
>encouraging and supporting large families through incentives, loans, etc
>encouraging men and women to marry earlier 
>making divorce more difficult
>banning pornography
>domestic discipline

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Step 1: Dismantle the kike invented divide and conquer monstrosity known as the ((( nuclear family ))) and return to clan based communal living arrangements.
Private property is fine, but there should be a high level or resource sharing and, it should go without saying, development of a very high trust, low crime society.
It doesn't really matter much if a particular mother is working or not if there is a sufficient number of clanswomen taking care of all the group's kids. The whole concept of "my kid" versus "your kid" is yet more cancerous jewish thinking. Everyone should be helping to support and raise the community's children. If you're not wiling to do that, then you're obviously in the wrong community. Go form your own clan and find people you're willing to live and die for, as well as their (and your) children.
If a woman has a number of children early in life and then enters the workforce because she has skills and can contribute economically or academically, it's all to the good. You don't have to choose one or the other. She can be both a mother and a productive member of society if she belongs to a clan based communal structure where nobody's kid gets left behind or uncared for.
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Make women (almost) property of their husband/nearest male relative, the way every functional culture did since the beginning of time.
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>>593
Kill yourself.
>>593
Go fuck an STD ridden nigger and GTFO of here then, dumb whore
>>19
Correct. OTOH, how likely is this to ever happen before DOTR? Might I suggest that robowaifus could stand-in as a partial help until such time arrives?
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>>14 (OP) 
The obsession about "fixing" nature is characteristic for the ((( muddlers ))), remove their toxic influence and control over society and everything will eventually fix itself, natural social dynamics are self-emergent.
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>>19
Disagree, the nuclear family is vital, which is why the kikes work to destroy it through divorce, fag marriage, etc. However, the nuclear family is not sufficient by itself -- it's supposed to be one component of several. A healthy society should have nuclear families embedded within the clan-based community structure you described.

>>736
Ultimately, women want to be dominated and under the control of men. The Jews gave them freedom, and they don't know what to do with it.

>>823
this, nature doesn't need to be "fixed", this is completely backwards. WE need to be fixed so that we're in harmony with nature. Trying to corrupt nature to match your own corruption is the Jewish way.
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>>840
>Disagree, the nuclear family is vital,
The nuclear family is garbage and is the reason why we're in this mess in the first place. It encourages submissiveness and individualism. I swear many of you guys here do your hardest in trying not acting like Christians, but act as they do. The Jews want to destroy anything that is traditional and healthy for the White race. The only option here is a self-sufficient communal/extended family structure that keeps kin together at all times to prevent division.
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>>853
Glad there's at least one other poster on this board with a brain.
t. >>19
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>>853
I should modify my statement. Nuclear families are inferior to extended families and clans, but are still much preferred to the broken families that thrive under ZOG control.
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>>840
>which is why the kikes work to destroy it
The kikes work mostly to destroy what goyim like, such as peace and good health. I guarantee the majority of them have put no thought into why they reflexively shill for jews and against gentiles, they've just always done it because social parasitism is their instinct. Those who are smart enough to plan against us, for all I know, are ineffectually trying to stop the obvious catastrophe that would be white genocide. Killing the best host they ever had wouldn't be wise, there's not much room for a social parasite without a society,  but most of them don't know that and don't care - they see goyim rushing to defend their houses from colored hordes and open a weapon shop.
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>>855
>>877
Let me make another correction. In the process of my red-pilling, I've sometimes had to sort out blue-pilled beliefs that were left unexamined inside my brain. This is one of those occasions. Now I realize that in fact, the nuclear family is a subtle poison, atomizing people and encouraging submissiveness as you said. It may be better than broken families, but that's only because it's a less advanced form of decay. In fact, the extended communal/clan structure is the most healthy and natural way for us to live, that's how we Aryans lived in the past, and the lack of this causes much neurosis today.
While I have a good family, I didn't grow up in an Aryan clan/tribe like I was supposed to, and now it really bothers me. fuck. I cannot forgive nor forget what was taken from me.

>>950
this seems accurate.
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>>14 (OP) 
>How will Fascism or National Socialism fix relations between men and women?
It won't. NatSocs are the biggest white-knight, Captain Save-a-Ho simps I've ever seen. Husbands will be responsible for their wives while having zero authority over them, same as now.
NatSoc would empower men to be stronger father figures, though. NatSocs only simp for grown White women, not for children
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>>1352
>hate the opposite sex of your tribe, goy! it's good for you, trust me!

Fuck off.
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>>1354
Reading comprehension fail.
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>>1352
>Unironically uses the word simp
Fuck off cat-boy lover. Retards like you are why there are faggots and trannies in RW movements.
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>>1355
This meme isn't even remotely true and is a gigantic cope. Anon, you are a beta male, get over it.
>>1406
Most WNs sadly do not see fags and trannies as a negative, we the anti-fag wing of the movement are unfortunately a minority.
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>>7128
the attempts at subversion here are top-notch
>>7128
>we
Abolish feminism and "Women's rights". And, if some democracy is preserved - make it one vote per family rather than per person.
>>14 (OP) 
>domestic discipline
Now that I can do.

>>1103
Yes, it's still some form of individualisme but paradoxically, extend to the family cell, although that cell is isolated in a suburb modern house.
It's a typical American 50s thing for example and it got worse with the habit of moving off to other states. This excess of mobility turned families into wholly packaged human resources. Latin cultures and families still living in the same vale for generations do not really experience that.
>>1352
Hitler flatly stated that the hierarchy was man > woman > children. For example, a man is a woman's world. You cannot have that if the man is a simp and only LARPs as the authority figure.
A woman almost ran me over because she wasn't paying attention and then had the gall to roll down her window and harass me about it. I almost dragged her out of her car and raped her on the street just to prove a point honestly. These women are truly insane and a lot of them are going to have to be killed once we take power. At least the ones too old to repurpose
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>>15795
Search the catalog before you post this thread is where your post belonged.
I think our race truly needs to practice eugenics on their women. Jews are always treated as the core reason for why women behave like dickheads, but I personally believe it’s a genetic flaw in most white women and jew’s feminism is just a boost to that factor. I’ve noticed that most women behaviours (in disobedience and rebellion) is mostly genetic, and it’s not just related to the modern world, even when i go throughout history i notice women who goes against their natural role. If we pursue to fix our race we must start with the females, the obedient and beautiful most reproduce while the disobedient and ugly must be excluded from the gene pool (and to increase the process honour killings must be legalised).
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>>15817
Eugenics is definitely needed in the future (as it was practiced in the past). For all the talk of feminists and cuckservative men trying to say that incels or the average man having their sexual / romantic options annihilated in the modern day is a form of eugenics as a 'gotcha', there is in reality no selective eugenics being applied to women themselves, which is far more important for natural or artificial selection purposes. Not only is any benefit of eugenics against men completely undone, it introduces further dysgenics beyond a clean zero, tipping the scale well into the negative balance.

A mother introduces the majority of the DNA of a child (ever so slightly), a child must develop for nine months entirely based around the woman's body and health, and the female body breaks down much faster in terms of reproductive yield and health. These factors alone contribute to a woman's eugenics being more important.

I disagree on the matter of honor killings. Not because I have a white knight sentimentality, but because any European society which has control again over female eugenics will already be advanced enough to have control over gene therapy and advanced artificial selection means. These are much more effective for introducing real change on a biological level, rather than still preserving unfeminine and traitorous genes which are temporarily held in check by force.
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>>14 (OP) 
You can’t seriously suppose ‘familial architecture’ in its currency for but the immediate future, where one proposes post-transhuman dissexitive reproductions as neuroS/T reverse engineers psychelic phenomenal grammars. For an all female race.
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>>14 (OP) 
>How will Fascism or National Socialism fix relations between men and women?
Integrated sports
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>>15821
Isn’t honour killings a form of eugenics on women?
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>>15824
>Integrated sports
Those only feasible work before both sexes' physical bodies are developed. Otherwise, all sports become men's sports, as has been demonstrated beyond any doubt with the introduction of men into women's sports with trans-activists.

>>15823
What? I'm inferring that you are implying a trans-humanist asexual, agender future exists. This is false. All the technology required for it requires high IQ, mentally sane males (disproportionately European in genetics and by race) who are willing to both innovate and do the actual grunt-work required to sustain the hardware, civilization, and architecture required to continue such developments and society. These will not be existing very soon, given the obvious campaign to exterminate all European genetics, unless of course hard-line ethno-ultranationalists seize back their countries in the West, which itself negates a transhumanist asexual, agender future.

Complex systems do not survive the absence of European and Far East Asian genetics. The current system and mindset is doing all it can to eradicate said genetics. And the future you suggest requires complex systems.

>>15825
Yes, but it's a very ineffective one unless on a long timeline. Say you chop off the head of a daughter for her fundamental unruliness (never mind physical traits), stupidity, and general undesirable characteristics in a trad family of five or more children. Let's say for the sake of simplicity that all the children are daughter. You might at best have 1-2 good daughters that still carry some shit genes but they didn't manifest them in that generation, plus the other three who are actually shit daughters and would do the same exact thing as the daughter who was beheaded but were scared into silence. The bad behaviors and traits still remain on a genetic level, plus all the temptations -- they've just been delayed from manifesting due to a contemporary society willing to carry out honor killings.

By contrast, it is better to take gene samples from consistently good families, especially ones which are good even during nightmare Kali Yuga times like ours despite all the temptation and bad nurture, as a much stronger guarantee that the five daughters do not strongly wish to act out poorly in the first place by internal reinforcement, rather than external pressures. In other words, they do the right thing because they fundamentally want to do the right thing, instead of being cowed and terrored temporarily into doing the right thing which only lasts for a single generation besides the bad apples being hidden from sight.

This takes an immensely long time to do with simple honor killings, but the process is sped-up immediately with genetic and biological solutions. Again, any European society that has control of their women again is already going to be advanced (and morally ruthless enough) to directly apply these non-violent, more humane means to begin with.
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>>15826
>but the process is sped-up immediately with genetic and biological solutions
Exactly! Just imagine, a gene clinic in every major city that helps screen the development of growing children and offers gene therapies to filter out or fix genetic defects. Congenital conditions would be a thing of the past. Not to mention excluding shitskin genes, that'd be a godsend for populations that historically suffered the predations of non-European invaders such as Spaniards and Italians. If you want to get even more ambitious, genetic material could be harvested from Europeans that died without leaving any descendants, their bloodlines revived via artificial wombs or uterine embryo implantation. Within a few generations we'd have undone centuries of damage to our genetic stock, and that's just the beginning. As the technology grows ever more refined, we can only breed healthier, stronger, fairer, BETTER specimens of our race. That's a vision of the future to aspire to.
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>>15828
Yes. I agree. I am Biowarfare Anon (as apparently others have labeled me), but its applications for nurturing, building, and defensive means is a key element of my strategy and belief system. I care about what works and that which works most effectively; in this case, violence genuinely does not seem to be the optimal solution for building societies and nations which will better the European race, the planet, or even humanity as a whole.
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>>15827
When i said “legalise honour killings” didn’t mean to make it obvious and announce it. It’s just the individual who committed a crime against his wife (for cheating on him) or his daughter (for disobeying) must not be punished harshly. You don’t have to make it obvious to the public and say “welp everyone is allowed to kill his wife and daughter to wash away the same”, you just need to give an indirect privilege for the men to do honour killings without any cruel consequences. Besides, i agree with using both genetic engineering and honour killing to improve our women. The honour killing is necessary to boost the obedient feature to our women, since genetics gets effected by the surrounding, a girl who is raised in an environment that requires women to be maids and any rebellion will end up dead, will make them evolved into never disobey their man of the house. Isn’t that how evolution works right?
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>>15829
>I am Biowarfare Anon (as apparently others have labeled me)
Just me. I think.
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>>15829
> I am Biowarfare Anon
like you fart a lot in public spaces and elevators or what?
>>15837
If it's done informally and secretly, then this to me means that it's being conducted in an environment, country, and territory still under jewish control instead of European homelands due to fear of reprisals or consequences. You could do it, I suppose, sort of like honor killings by jihadists or immigrant islamic rapefugee groups in the West which is different from the formalized honor killings in secure lands I originally thought you meant. However, they have the entire court system and police in their favor to begin with.
>a girl who is raised in an environment that requires women to be maids and any rebellion will end up dead, will make them evolved into never disobey their man of the house. Isn’t that how evolution works right?
Eventually, mostly yes, which is why many cultures had those features. However, these methods take a long time to see consistent good results, probably something like 4-5 generations with each generation being defined as 15-20 years. As mentioned with my previous example with the five daughters, even 'good' daughters from families prone to dysgenic daughters will carry the shit genes for a number of generations. Given the present state of wildly unchecked females in Western lands, you indeed have at least 3-4 generations of no real selective pressures against women which has been disastrous (massively dysgenic, especially in the past 2 generations).

Think of families with tall genes. Is everyone guaranteed to be tall? No. And of those who are tall, even ones paired with other tall partners, do they not produce short children sometimes due to some generational skips? Likewise so with what we're talking about. By contrast, you can partner men and women from tall families who consistently produce tall children every generation with few anomalies and your odds will be exceedingly good for producing tall children. But it still takes time.

If you are doing all this secretly, then this implies you are under jewish occupation, which then immediately follows that you do not have a lot of time or generations to fix things (as we do not now). Otherwise, if it's formalized and open, this assumes at least some nations wholly under European control / jewish defeat are in existence, which further implies access to advanced technology and an already established willingness to do extreme violence (Day of the Rope such events have already transpired). If that is the case, we're right back to my point about not really needing to use those methods due already applying extreme violence previously plus access to long-term means rendering them unnecessary.
>>15839
>Just me. I think.
Well, it was a good one. It made me laugh.
>>15827
>Those only feasible work before both sexes' physical bodies are developed. Otherwise, all sports become men's sports, as has been demonstrated beyond any doubt with the introduction of men into women's sports with trans-activists.
Some time ago I did some research on this, and found out that women can actually compete with men in target shooting. Obviously, it doesn't take muscles or stamina, and you might dismiss it as a sport, which is fair, but I just wanted to mention it.
Otherwise I agree.
>>15991
Hm... sniper wife.... hmmmmm...
>>15991
Let the women play at lower levels; legalize 'doping'. Those elite will break through.
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>>15991
I don't dismiss it. It's a valid counter-point.
However, even target shooting when combined with running (killhouse scenarios and competitions; not sure if Olympics do these) puts it back into the male domain. Does anyone know if specialized Olympic target shooting divisions such as pistols-only is essentially male-only with its winners? This might be another detail even against target shooting.

>>15995
Legalized doping might allow above average men to compete with elite men. I don't think it'd help women at all against men, since it'd be such a massive boost to the above average men stuck below the natural elites. Doping would help out the elites, might tip the scale enough for above average men with absurd work ethics, and would be a big boost to women against other women but not provide nearly the sort of advantage they'd give even a below average male against women, in other words.
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