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I think we need to have a discussion about the fringer aspects of our political struggle. Despite how niche this topic is I expect it to attract contradictory opinions on the topics of the inner spirituality of the SS and post-Third Reich metaphysical concepts, science, archeology, myths, prophecies and alternative history.
This will have us look into such groups and organizations as the Thule Society (Thule-Gesellschaft), the Germanen Order (schismatic branch), the Ahnenerbe, the Esoteric Hitlerists and the Armanen, and into figures such as Rudolf von Sebottendorff, Dietrich Eckart, Heinrich Himmler, Karl Maria Wiligut, Julius Evola, Maximiani Portaz (also known as Savitri Devi), Miguel Serrano and many more.
A thorough exchange of sources and links will serve as the backbone of our perhaps heated yet preferably intellectually substantiated exchanges since we may hold very antagonistic views regarding one or the other element that we should expound upon.
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This is a rather far reaching topic.
Let's begin with a quick discussion on myths and folklore.
Consider the following link.
https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/do-we-really-want-the-fisher-kings-to-return/52177942
>Do we really want the Fisher Kings to Return?
>The document explores the mythology of the Fisher King lineage, tracing connections between various deities such as Enki, Poseidon, Vishnu, and Arthur Pendragon, highlighting their roles in different cultures and legends across history. It discusses the symbolism of water, creation myths, and the significance of figures like Matsya in Hinduism and their parallels in other traditions, including the concept of divine kingship. Additionally, it examines the idea of awaited messianic figures across various cultures and the overarching theme of a united understanding of divinity among humanity.

Then, a summary of sources relevant to Esoteric Hitlerism.
https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/the-essentials-of-esoteric-hitlerism/227620854
>The essentials of esoteric hitlerism
>This document provides 100 verses from Miguel Serrano's work "The Essentials of Esoteric Hitlerism" which outlines the principles of Esoteric Hitlerism. It discusses concepts like the initiation of Hitler, the cosmic war between gods and demons represented on Earth, Hitler possessing the power of Odin to defeat his enemies, and references to Hyperborea and achieving immortality. The verses also reference figures like Lucifer, Cathars, and Julius Evola and draw from ideas in tantric traditions.
Does Esoteric Hitlerism have the meme power to become the dominant religion and culture power-base for the struggle?
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>>11272
No, it's ridiculous bullshit Hitler would exterminate on sight if he were still alive.
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>>11272
A lot of memes do make use of the principles found in Evolan thought, but much less in anything related to EH, which is a particular path of esoteric logic intermixed with Hitleric affairs. Regardless of the details of EH, the central tenet could have some value depending on how far you are willing to push the idea that Adolf Hitler was a unique and special individual. EH goes at the absolute end of it and euhemerizes him (Him) in a manner not to dissimilar to what Romans would have done themselves to their best (and often anointed) emperors thousands of years ago. Portaz first deeply explored that idea. Serrano expanded it. But for all the material he has produced that contains interesting ideas there also are some issues which means the opulence of writing material stemming from his hand needs not be seen as an authority in itself.
There is another issue regarding the memeability of this theory, it relies a lot on ancient Hindu principles because they have remained the most explicit in the knowledge of the great ages, but this means it borrows from a base of content that has been produced at a time when it's possible that the racial fall of the upper caste had already started. This could be a problem because it will carry within itself the risk of opening our people to infected concepts that had to be tailored for a large kingdom wherein millions of non-Whites wanted and needed a solid religion, even if said religion never claimed any kind of equality and follows the rather more secular writings of the Rig Veda that contain truly anti-brownoid content.
If you read the summary of quotations lifted from El Cordon Dorado, The 'Golden Thread, you will also see the related picture, point 24. Catharism and Gnosticism are complex beliefs and many people often objected to them because of their fundamental rejection of the universe, whatever the reason might have been. Semitic cults tend to reject the world as is, promising a better version in the future. Gnosticism swings between rejecting the whole of it to suggesting that it might be corrected. Catharism was the extreme take on this, with the world being evil and a prison. Serrano argues for something that's halfway between both the hard and soft versions of Gnosticism. It might rustle one's feathers too because the ambiguity regarding the separation of the sexual essences and its implied first evil act might not sound to alien to someone who might have looked into the Kabbalah. It seems the Jews took notes from this and used such ideas for the production of their Zohar, although they seem to have corrupted that idea as can be seen with the Talmud and the claimed existence of several "genders" which would appear to be unique to them.
EH also appears to have a capacity to attract a very narrow group of Christian esotericists who look into something purer, largely detached from the invasive Semitic lore, by rekindling the Christ figure freed from any link to Yeshuos and therefore returning to an older Mithraic-like take on the Christ concept as not a single individual but more like a status bestowed upon great adepts.
But as I said above, it's far from blunders. Point 24 accuses the Old Testament of being immoral. In some ways it is, but it's also based in that it's that one set of rules and beliefs that argues for merciless conquest of lands and the slaughter of enemies and those inhabiting said lands, which does mirror to some close extent the massacres committed by Indra.

TL;DR
It might attract discourteous Pajeet lovers if we're not careful.

An alternative that is worth the shot if you think the whole EH movement is too risky is to reboot it in a large part by claiming Hitler to be divine and special according to ancient Imperial Roman principles, while not entirely closing the door to more Eastern concepts that date back to a time when Whites ruled those more distant lands, and continuing to mix them as it's been done with myths emptied as much as possible of their Semitic and Catholic content (Protestantism being a late affair, it's utterly irrelevant to our work here). Overlapping Celtic and Nordic tales being obviously far more than welcome in this, for rather obvious reasons.

I guess this thread will help clarify a lot of misconceptions while allowing posters to oppose viewpoints on the entire topic of the esoteric side of our struggle.
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A rather well composed summary of Savitri Devi's own engagement and advanced spiritual life.
https://savitridevi.org/about_her/jonathan-bowden-on-savitri-devi-in-both-audio-text/
https://counter-currents.com/radio/BowdenSavitriDevi.mp3 (about one hour long)
>Jonathan Bowden on Savitri Devi in Both Audio & Text
>This is the transcript by R. F. of Jonathan Bowden’s lecture on Savitri Devi, delivered to the 29th New Right meeting in London on, Saturday October 23, 2010 — one day after the anniversary of Savitri’s death on October 22, 1982 in Sible Hedingham, Essex, England. I have eliminated some false starts and provided corrective notes. To listen in a player, click below or here. To download the mp3, right-click here and choose “save link as” or “save target as.” Please post any corrections — and any recollections of her concluding words, which are missing from the recording — below as comments.
With this said I will proceed to isolate and share here the portions of the transcript which I believe are the most useful to understand Savitri Devi and the fundamentals of her beliefs in the post-war world.

>There’s also a degree to which she was very uninterested in Mussolini’s Italy, or Franco’s Spain, or Salazar’s Portugal, or movements elsewhere. There was a certain comment, and there was a certain interest, but it’s noticeable that when she later came to adopt the view that German National Socialism was the recrudescence of extreme paganism in the Western world for man then and today and tomorrow, she came to that view unerringly because her viewpoint always goes to the most extreme and the most militant option. In some ways because of her motivation is in many respects primarily religious, she’s opposed to all forms of political temporizing.
>Her view is very much anti-political in one sense. She believes in going for the most extreme and the most radical option in all areas. If she wants to be a pagan, she becomes a Hindu; if she wants to be a pagan in political modernity, she becomes a National Socialist; if she’s a National Socialist, she supports the SS, as the most militant part of National Socialism. Always with her the most extreme, the most radical option, but not as emotional fervor—although there is a certain fervid quality to her prose that can’t be denied—but almost with a degree of mathematical logic and forethought whereby the most radical position leads logically and inescapably to all other positions.
>So Savitri Devi’s radicalism and the religious urge which exists behind it is evident from the very beginning. Many believe that she is attempting to create a religion out of Nazism, and indeed many spokesmen on the radical Right like Revilo P. Oliver said that after the war. “I do believe that a Hitler cult is being created,” Revilo once said, “by a knowledgeable woman of Greek ancestry.” And there is a degree to which you can see part of the logic of her progression in that way.
>Now German suffering at the end of the war is not seen by Savitri Devi in the way that it normally is.
>She sees it very differently. She sees it as a suffering and a fire and a threnody which Germans should go through until they can renew themselves again in strength and in glory.
>And this leads her in her most famous, infamous, and notorious book, The Lightning and the Sun, to essentially engage in the deification of Hitler. A truly extraordinary situation if you consider the mass narrative of the post-war world in the 20th century. She basically inverts the semiotics. She inverts the narrative of the 20th century. The greatest villain, the greatest evildoer, the greatest hatemonger, the greatest monster, and she turns him into an avatar of the god Vishnu and says he’s divine, and he’s beyond human.
>Because in the Hindu aristocratic and warrior tradition there are men of impersonal violence. Titans who walk the earth, who walk beyond good and evil, and are unrestrained, whose cruelty and ardor are impersonal, non-material, for idealistic purposes, and is never done for human gain or for their own gain, or for that of their families and their tribes except in the most indirect of ways. So you sense the extremity of her passion in this way.
>What’s the difference between paganism and Christianity? Is it the worship of polytheistic gods? Many pagans actually believe there is one source, and the gods and goddesses are metaphors. Pagans believe everything that exists is divine, in all of the systems. This means that destruction is divine, as well as creation. It also believes that femininity is divine, and therefore there is no problem with the masculine-feminine polarity in all things. There are priestesses in these religions, there are goddesses in these religions, because they’re half of what it means to be mortal.
>Now, ethically most pagan systems are very different. Paganism tends to believe in retributive violence. It tends to believe that if you push me I’ll push you back. It tends to believe even in violence and aggression as the forethought before being attacked oneself. It tends to have an honor-based system whereby morality is perceived hierarchically. So the more noble you are, the more beautiful you are, the more intelligent you are, the more well-proportioned you are, the more knowledgeable you are, the more courage you have, the more favored you are by the gods. The higher you are in a particular hierarchy. This of course have a converse: the uglier you are, the shorter you are, the less well-favored you are, the less courageous you are, the more defective you are, the lower you are in this particular hierarchy.
>[the] worship of money and the belief that life is based upon making money, is the inverse of her view, and for most of her life she lived as an ascetic. In other words she lived almost without any property at all and just stayed in the houses of some of the most notorious people on earth at that time. Some of them living in Egypt, some of them living in Paraguay under General Stroessner, some of them in Perón’s Argentina. Rudel, Johann von Leers—who I believe converted to Islam—Otto Skorzeny, and these sorts of people. They were all her friends, and she lived with them in Madrid, and she visited them in the United States later on. And she travelled all over the world on multiple passports, because she could use Savitri Devi, she could use Mukherji, she could use her mother’s maiden name. She could use her Greek nationality. Increasingly she became banned from country after country.
>Now Savitri Devi’s basic political books are The Lightning and the Sun, which deals with three historical figures: Genghis Khan, Akhnaton, and Hitler. She sees the one as a man of peace and the sun. Another as a warrior and a killer without any greater idea. And Hitler as a sort of a god and a devil combined. As a sort of superman, outside history. He is against time. He is sort of inhuman. He’s considered as something semi-divine.
>But this feeling, that one is even prepared to die for a cause—beyond warriorship, which is partly paid mercenary work now—doesn’t exist. It virtually doesn’t exist anywhere. It’s truly extraordinary, and in some ways it takes an outsider like her: a woman who goes to India, and becomes a Hindu, and rejects Christianity, who’s a fundamentalist pagan.
>It’s almost the energy that that sort of arcane and slightly occultistic path of extremity will lead you to, that allows a woman like this to adopt these sorts of positions.
Before continuing with the quotations directly related to Devi, here's an interesting one about ecology which I couldn't agree more with.
>The interesting thing is the emergence of the Green movement in post-war Germany which tacked culturally to the Left. Because communism can’t exist in West Germany, because there’s an invidious communist state in East Germany. So Leftism takes a Green form in West Germany. And yet, Green ideas are not Left wing. Deep Green ideas, as they’re called, are primordial and pagan (with a small “p”) and very very Right wing.
If you want to win points, you have to focus on this. The emergence, or re-emergence of the green force and its appeal to the youth, and make it decidedly right wing beyond any shame or sense of guilt. But it has to be just as relentless when it purports itself with the most sizzling truth. This is why the globalists have created the leftist modern structure that so closely espouses ESG quotas as they are blindly absorbed by so many corporations, because it also is a convenient way to get access to funds and grants provided by financial mammoths managed or more often owned by Jews. This is how you end with fools throwing themselves into the latest so called pro-green anti-carbon schemes, all too eager to demonstrate how ready they are to stand for a better world freed form the consequences of fascistic and monopolistic tendencies aggravated by sheer greed. They will flock to NGOs and other organizations that make a sudden appearance on the political scene such as Extinction Rebellion, selling them the latest cataclysmic canard about how the planet is in its death throes because of our very western way of life.
Jews spend a lot of money making sure that a genuinely well informed concern for our future and our ecology never falls into the pawns of right wing groups, which is where they should naturally reside.
Now let me resume the course of quoting the text that pertains to Devi's attitude.
>One of her most interesting attitudes towards National-Socialism is the belief that there are two forms of it. There’s the exoteric form that the masses understand, which is a particular group that’s responsible for postmodernity, and one doesn’t like in an a priori way.
>She also believes or posits the idea that there as an inner version. And that is the achievement of something that’s beyond man as he presently is. And this is the idea of the Superman.
>And I think that will, identity, spirit, and idealism in a woman who will be considered to be essentially insane by mainstream modernity—I mean let’s not beat about the bush—is very instructive, because in her sort of messianic post-sanity there lies a redemptive element.
>And with somebody as extreme as her–even I don’t concur with necessarily all of their views–the power and the purity and the obsessionality of her religious belief in the redemption of this civilization is very instructive, and very revealing, and is a sort of moral dynamite in comparison to everything that’s taught in every school and every college and every university now.
>There are various fringe groups about which academics like Goodrick-Clarke make a good career postulating that, you know, the eclipse of the sun is a new swastika, and there’s a dark sun, and these groups are out there, and she’s their priestess, and she’s a source of semi-worship for them, and so on. And if you go on You Tube there’s pictures of her and accounts of her speeches and writings and so on that call her a Daughter of the Black Sun.
>But she is very, very interesting, because she has taken the tiger by the tail and twisted it around. And if you want to morally shock the people who are alive now don’t introduce them to Tarantino’s films. Don’t introduce them to Sarah Young’s pornography. [Introduce them to Savitri Devi, Daughter of the Black Sun.]
I started reading the Impeachment of Man the other day. Any recommendations to read after this?
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>>11393
Long-Whiskers and Two-Legged Goddess is a novelized autobiography that deals with largely the same themes, and then... tries to show you various places in Europe and Asia through the eyes of a cat. Because in addition to being the most ardent National Socialist surviving the 40's, Savitri Devi was the craziest of the crazy cat ladies.

Have you read Rene Guenon? Because "The Lightnining and The Sun" reads almost like a reprise of "Crisis of the Modern World" ("Reign of Quantity and Signs of the Times", I believe, was written in parallel with Devi's work). Although in the Impeachment of Man I see more contribution from Schopenhauer than from Guenon, but I'm not an expert in philosophy, just an anon.
Astrology, Astrotheology and Astral Sorcery is the only way.
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>They burned our paradise. They ruined everything. They're trying to sell Patagonia to the Jews. The place is crawling with Israelis. They're buying up the land. No one does anything."
And then I see all these people wondering why out of all places, the kikes would go for this one in particular...
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>>12091
I wonder how is everyone in argentina are okay with this? Yeah milei is a cuck, but how the citizens are okay for letting the kikes get away for stealing their lands?
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>>12120
Same could be asked about Americans tolerating Trump cucking out for ZOG, and standing by while kikes and chinks carve up their land. The answer for why argies are in this situation is the same as everywhere else: They're so beaten down by generations of corrupt politicians fucking them over and getting away with it that they just roll over and take it because "there is nothing we can do." On top of everything else that led to the general complacency and apathy of the genral population of course.
>>12091
This is not new, that has been happening for decades, jews wanted to colonize the argentinian patagonia since 1890. Now, with the puppet goverment, they removed the law that banned foreigners to buy land, and removed the law that banned that you could buy land after a burning, so israel sends soldiers as tourists and they burn these areas. Since 2011 I believe that 5 israeli soldiers have been detained.

But this also happens in Spain, there, the goverment burns rural areas and sells the land to blackrock, those areas containing rare ores. 

Another reason why that province is very important, is because it comes with the rights of ownership the Antarctica, that's why the british don't give back the Falklands. And the british/israeli media wants to create a war between Argentina and Chile so they can steal their rights to the Antarctica.

>>12120
A lot of argentinians hate jews, and a lot of them are being radicalized against jews. The only ones that worship jews are the milei followers. But now that semiautomatic guns are legal there , maybe the new jewish colonizers with the help of the puppet goverment create a armed force there and start shooting down every local.
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>>12131
Is it true that Milei is related to Netanyahu? His grandfather's last name is Mileikowski.
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>>12132
I don't know. I only know that his family was of jewish origin, but converted to catholicism. And he converted to a weird jewish sect that is kinda scary. Also, in the Argentina Republic, the constitution demands that all the presidents needs to be catholic, and he is doing a illegal thing by being a jew and not converting to catholicism. While most Argentinian presidents have been catholic, there was a president, Carlos Menem, who was a muslim, and he had to convert to catholicism to become a president of the country.
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>>12131
>rights to one big gigantic isolated continent that's completely covered in ice forever
WAR NOW

>>12133
>a mudslime became prez
>converted to cult of jeebus
Browntina. Perfect.

Retardedness aside, do we know why the Third Reich developed an obsession for this land despite being short on time and resources?
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>>12144
It was also Menem who reformed immigration laws and opened the floodgates to the third world. In just a couple decades every major city became a gigantic favela crawling with predatory shitskins. Look up pictures and video footage from say, 70s or 80s Buenos Aires and compare it with today. Pay close attention to the houses too.
>>12144
>do we know why the Third Reich developed an obsession for this land despite being short on time and resources?
I don't recall Nazi Germany having any particular obsession with Argentina during World War II. Connections to the country stemmed mainly from its large population of German immigrants (dating back to the 19th century), which fostered cultural and economic ties, as well as some wartime espionage activities and pro-Axis sympathies among parts of the Argentine elite and military. If anything, Germany's primary strategic and ideological fixations were on the United Kingdom and, increasingly, the United States, due to their large pool of German immigrants.
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>>12156
>pro-Axis sympathies among parts of the Argentine elite and military.
Most famously Jose Felix Uriburu and Juan Domingo Peron.
The most important thing we should be doing, at least on this front, is to figure out how to empower ourselves and fight ((( them ))) more efficiently.
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>>12160
It's rather simple, though it takes discipline, preparation and perseverance to achieve.
>Learn anything and everything about opsec (online and off), read books on the topic of espionage and how criminals, insurgencies and counter insurgencies operate.
>Get /fit/ and learn CQC, or at least some boxing moves for self-defense.
>Learn useful skills (first aid, carpentry, locksmithing, farming, automechanics, electric engineering, ham radio, chemistry, the list goes on and on.)
>Following the above: Become self-sufficient, run theoretical exercises of how well you would survive in a SHTF situation with your current resources.
>Study how the greats communicated with both the general public (i.e. the normalfags) and their own followers, how they recruited people.
>Learn how to properly read and manipulate people for the purposes of recruitment and obfuscation, deflection of suspicion.
>Sound out the people you interact daily in order to screen for potential recruits. Look not for people who are vaguely discontent with the current situation, but for people who are utterly done with the System and will not settle for some table scraps from it (e.g. Trump's supposed immigration crackdown, stimmy checks, etc.) but also know how to keep a secret and would be willing to take action personally.
>Practice your oratory and debate skills in order to win potential recruits over. In an age of despair, hopelessness and nihilistic skepticism, show them there are still people who fight for higher ideals and that it it worth fighting for the selfsame ideals.
>Network at the local level, whether to begin building the skeleton of your future operation networks with your recruits or creating fronts for your clandestine activities, or whatever else that would be useful.
>And obviously, get armed up, because we're not going to get out of this hell through political means.
This is not an exhaustive list. Endless are the things that are needed to get an insurgency off the ground. the important thing to remember is that you're fighting for the future of our people, so fuck-ups are not tolerated. Cultivate an attitude that only you care, only you are driven enough to do what needs to be done and if you doie or get arrested, it's game over for the White race. It's an attitude that prevents complacency and overconfidence. Lastly? Don't wait for a leader to come along and tell you what to do, be the leader everyone needs.
>>12156
Obsession over Argentina or Antarctica? For the latter, it still baffles me too to this day perhaps because I try to remain rational.
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>>12192
>Obsession over Argentina or Antarctica? 
It is possible that the NSDAP had a deep and unusual interest in Antarctica.
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>>12202
Fine, but why? You don't grow an interest out of nowhere for one huge hostile desert freezing landmass covered in snow to the point to splitting your thin resources over an ambitious and expensive expedition to build a whole base capable of hosting a submarine on the edge of some gigantic ice cube, on the whole other side of the world, with no way to go there but with a boat, while two powerful and allied geopolitical blocks are definitely looking for ways to crush you.
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>>12216
The most banal explanation (which is usually the correct one) is that under all of that ice, Antarctica is a proper continent that has natural resources. Which is something Germany was (and still is) rather lacking. So, doing feasibility studies on extraction of those resources (obviously, that's going to be a lot more expensive than mining in a habitable environment, and require developing a unique expertise, or perhaps not so unique since a lot of mining and industrial shitholes in the Soviet Union were (and some still are) located in places only marginally less inhospitable than Antarctica) makes sense. Especially while it seemed that war on two fronts could be avoided.
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>>12254
What a totally unconvincing explanation. It is indeed as banal as it is terrible and unsatisfying.
Nobody knew anything about what laid beneath the ice, even less natural resources. At that time, knowledge about natural resources still remained very limited and there was far more to explore in the northern seas or the whole of Europe. Germany was in no position to extract anything valuable from this god forsaken place and had far more pressing matters to deal with. It was in fact much more expedient to trade resource for resource in a bartering scheme with nearby neighbors than trying to extract some fabbled unknown resource from the frozen butthole of Earth in the most unpractical way possible.
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>>12260
>Nobody knew anything about what laid beneath the ice
We're talking about XX century, not XVIII century. Antarctic exploration was already happening. And it is not entirely unconvincing that a nation lacking in means to support their economy would look towards multiple avenues of remedying that; it's not like manpower in the Reich directed towards the Antarctic was disproportionate.

Banal hypotheses are great for A/B testing when you want to discern whether you're actually dealing with something highly unusual.
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>>12271
I could have asked an AI some info on Serrano but I wasn't willing to dox myself. Over the years I've read excerpts which left me in some unsatisfied state. Some sound good, some sound outlandish, some sound like the most terrible pseudo-science ever, and then there's the entire gnostic angle to it, the claims about the modifications of the initial ethereal bodies, the addition of sexual organs, or how some specific Hebrew tribes of magi play an important role in the current struggle. I've seen other citations about his master or some known far-right figures, his closeness to the Dalai Lama (who kissed the wall btw). Overall this reads as some convoluted fiction that borrows from several sources such as Classical myths and Eastern esoteric traditions, makes up a lot of stuff but seasons the entirety of these works with some interesting ideas, notably those kikes being some type of robot-like of creature in flesh.
Has there ever been any serious critical analysis of his major works?
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