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Literally all of the arguments people come up with against children voting were used back in the 1910s for women. And you know, they were right. Women are less mature than men on average. Look at how men tend to prioritize real political issues like the economy while women tend to prioritize emotional ones like abortion. 

Yeah, children would do the exact same thing. So why should we allow children to vote? Well, it's fair. If women can vote, children should vote too. Children are probably more moral than women anyway.
But more importantly, since the regime has stated that its goal is to get every featherless biped to vote, why not be logically consistent and lower the voting minimum age to 2. Then we will expose democracy for what it truly is: A joke.

>"But children are not mature enough to make decisions that affect everyone!"
You will hear. Yet most adults are not mature enough either. Why let them vote? 
>"But children will just be manipulated by schools and media."
So are adults. Yet we let them vote.

The ONLY reason we do not allow children to vote is because doing so exposes how clownish this system is. It is an arbitrary barrier we adults impose to make ourselves feel like we have earned something just because we get one day every 2 years where we go through a ritual that ultimately affects no change. What would even change if we did allow children to vote? Nothing.
Gerrymandered congressional districts would still keep your despised rulers in power. The presidential selection would still lead to a contest between two party machines. Hell, I bet Trump would have won anyway since he is cool while Kamala is not. 
You STILL wouldn't affect legislation since that is done at the congressional level.
You STILL wouldn't have any meaningful impact upon who runs this country because this joke we do every 2-4 years isn't even a real democracy. It is a sham.

Letting children vote would literally change nothing but it would be very educational to see how little changes when we allow 4 year olds to "directly affect our democracy"

Oh yeah, also, lowering the voting age would favor large families. So ironically, doing so would absolutely screw over shitlibs who don't have children. The ones who gain the most are conservative families and mexicans, so it all balances out anyway.

Do it. Don't just lower the voting min age to 16. Lower it to 2.
Lol but that would never happen.
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I mean why not? Women already do so it's not like there is much of a difference
>>257048
Maybe not. But you should talk about this positively at work and with friends.
>Fuck off normalfag!
Fine, then talk about it on Discord with your gaming buddies. They'd probably be even more predisposed to agreeing with you than the Gen Xers and boomers we all seem to work with.
Sorry, I need money.
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>>257057
>gaming buddies
I don't even have any and I don't talk with work people because that that's a quick way to just get attention when I don't want it.
>bunch of pathetic normal fags wo play online shit 
>and shallow white wymen who are 3s probably 04s as well
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Hot Take: Abolish democracy
the opinion of the common man has no inherent value as they are easily swayed through propaganda
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>>257062
It should be. But while it's here, I propose that we mock and expose it for what it is by using the arguments for it to defend policies that everyone knows is stupid, such as letting children vote.
Seriously, there are ZERO reasons why children should not vote too given the existing reasons why we need democracy. 

>>257061
I hear you. I'm a teacher and experience far more interesting conversations with children than those I have with adults. This is clownworld. Let children vote.
Because I wasn't allowed to vote as kid (time when I was actually interested in it) I promised to myself to never vote in my life after I hit 18 as a spite
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Hot take: let nobody vote. Voting is fake anyway, just stop giving people false sense of control.
>>257086
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
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>>257047 (OP) 
It would make things collapse faster
>>257078
kek, based.

>>257106
Yes
>>257106
That's what she said.
>>257106
Indeed
Let it happen
It's a ((( feminist ))) narrative that women weren't allowed to vote because men thought they were stupid. The consequences of feminism will show the world who was right in the end.

>Oy vey boyim, the evil men oppressed the poor women by not letting them vote.
This is the bullshit you hear in Muttmerizogan schools.
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>>257383
>It's a (((  feminist  ))) narrative that women weren't allowed to vote because men thought they were stupid
Women are stupid.
And women led more fulfilling lives in patriarchal societies.
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>>257425
>patriarchal
can we just say the normal fucking way? a bitch on a farm with a gun to her head if she acts like an ungrateful demon? most modern women would be thrown into the river with cinder blocks or lit up with a bunch of faggots if  men from the 1700s and 1800s were still alive
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>>257047 (OP) 
Honestly, the dualistic view of the sexes that so many people on the right have smells of Christfaggotry and is basically alien to the holistic worldview of Indo-European paganism and its tripartite division of society. Abortion should not only be legal, but women should have the right to it along with other specifically female-only rights. In fact, there are certain populations of people who abortion should be MANDATORY for along with birth control measures such as tubal litigation and vasectomies. This is called negative eugenics and it should be a policy advanced with regards to immigrants, to name only one population of people.

Concerned about the preservation those with European ancestry? Great. Advance positive eugenics policies such as measures to restore the extended family, subsidized childcare and child rearing costs, and social engineering policies to encourage Europeans to have children. And as far as voting goes, it's something that should be conceived along the lines of classical politics wrt citizenship. Voting and participation in politics should be something limited to those who are citizens (i.e. those who share a common historical and cultural history and destiny), and the idea it should exclude women is retarded not only because it doesn't place an ethnic kin first and foremost but also because it fundamentally does not understand the nature of the populist moment.
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>>257440
>feminism is eugenic!
Found the kike. Gas yourself
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>>257445
Tranny See,
Tranny Die!
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>>257445
troll harder nigger
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>>257451
41% yourself
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>>257456
Eat my bullets troon
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>>257456
Go to the gas chamber bot
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>>257458
>tranny starts calling others trannies
neck yourself
>>257458
kys
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>>257446
Well a coal burner got murdered and thus got her gross genes out, and the other didn't breed back into the white gene pool, so it is kind of eugenic
>>257459
I ain't no tranny but at least i ain't a bot
also telling me to "kys" like a /pol/nigger isn't gonna make me kms. Try harder
>>257463
Yup this either a bot, discord fag or a /pol/nigger
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>>257464
>Muh /pol/
Troon confirmed.
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>>257468
>muh trannies
>le kys
yawn
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>>257469
>le yawn
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>>257471
>ur a nazi!
Apes and dolphins should vote before 2 year olds. Adult and trained dolphins and apes rather. Also corvids. Maybe some octopi and those weird fish I cannot think the name of that blend in with their environment. Also parrots and elephants. 
 >>257086
This.
>>257091
The news may be a circuse but voting is not bread. Some pepole hate clowns and bread drives people mad too. Give me legumes  and fictional stories instead. Srsly tho, things like EBT are the bread, the piratebay is the circuse. Nobody even likes politics and stuff like that, not even people that obsess over it. They just can't look away despite every instinct telling them to do so. A trainwreck analogy is apt. Too true retards think that they matter as they vote but it'd be better to let them die off rather than placate people so self  absorbed that they can't do the math on how little their vote matters. A collective shouldn't act like an insect race. Also gambling should be allowed until people get more logical about math, a related subject. People being positive makes them dumb. Fotrune favored the bold and daring, the stupid, and so we've got religion and people thinking they can be lucky. It's stupid. Let them die. The society exists to keep people from evolving in other words. Let it fall.
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>>257554
You know what is funny, if you got corvids smart enough to talk to, you could probably convince them to take steps to influence the genes of the human population so we would maintain the food production so they would not have to reinvent or do anything to feed themselves
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Our current concept of childhood is a relatively recent invention. Throughout most cultures throughout most of human history, individuals today referred to as "children" had the right to marry, serve in the army, and even act as the head of state.
We can still see remnants of this in ceremonies such as Barmitzvah celebrations practiced by those who follow the Old Testament, though the true purpose of such events has been obscured by today's society. In the Judeo-Christian culture, boys who reached the age of 13 were considered to be full fledged adults, with all the associated rights and responsibilities.
This is a far cry from today's attitudes and practices, where even individuals considerably older than 13 are still not allowed to own property in their own name, enter legal agreements, or have any significant decision making power over how they are to live their lives. Instead, they are entirely at the almost arbitrary mercy of their parents or legal guardians.
This situation is similar to the subordinate legal status women had to their husbands just a few generations ago. It is in effect a form of slavery, though under the supposed belief that this is in the best interest of those who are enslaved. It was only in 1920 that women finally gained the right to vote in the United States. Prior to this date, it was considered outrageous to propose that these "irrational creatures" could be trusted to have a say in governance.
In exactly the same way, most people currently assume that children are not intellectually or emotionally competent to act as our equals in society. This view is reflected in our language when people tell each other to start "behaving like adults."
However, a few moments reflection should make us realize that "typical adult behavior" consists of resolving our disputes through military confrontations and through bitter lawsuits. Nothing in our daily behavior is in any way superior to the behavior of those we refer to as "children."
The very definition of what it means to be an "adult" has been warped by our society. When we refer to an "adult horse" or an "adult dog", the word "adult" refers to the reproductive maturity of being able to produce offspring. By contrast, our society's legal definition is based on an arbitrary age demarcation, long after biological adulthood has already been attained.
Neither biological adulthood nor legal adulthood are a prerequisite for intellectual or emotional maturity. Nor are they a guarantee of it. Some people are competent to make their own decisions by the age of seven. Others are still not able to run their own lives even by the age of thirty.
Just as racism is unacceptable, it is also unacceptable to use arbitrary age demarcation lines to determine who will have which rights.
Consider for example the right to drive a car. We obviously need tests to determine who can be trusted with this responsibility. However, to be fair, the same test must apply to all people, regardless of race or gender, and regardless of youth. If someone successfully passes the written exam and the "behind the wheel" test, then there is no justification to deny a driving license on the grounds that the applicant is too young.
The same principle can be applied to all other areas of life. There is indeed a real need for limitations. For example, newborn infants can not be trusted to make their own decisions. However, the point in time at which people are given various rights and responsibilities must be decided by fair and objective tests, not by arbitrary age demarcation.
If a five year old child born in the United States can pass the same test immigrants take to attain citizenship, then this child should be given the right to vote just as all other Americans. If a six year old child can pass a test demonstrating that he is aware of all the consequences of the issues involved, then he should be allowed to determine who he will live with and where he will go to school. If a seven year old child can pass a test demonstrating that he has the intellectual fortitude to make his own decisions in life, then he should be given the full right to determine the course of his own destiny.
Although no child should ever be forced to take these tests against his will, these tests should always be made available to any child who wishes to take them.
Of course, there are many people who doubt that any child this young can pass such tests. However, this is not the issue. Even if we were to believe that no child will ever pass these tests, we should not deny them the right to just "take the test" simply because they are too young.
If our skeptical predications are correct, and no child ever passes these tests, then no harm has been done, since no child will have attained these freedoms. If only one in a million passes this test, then nothing will have changed for the over 99% percent of the children who did not pass, but we should not restrict the rights of this one child who did pass simply because of the poor performance of his peers.

There is a reason why we are reluctant to allow children to demonstrate their competence through such tests. It is the fear that they will outperform us. Many teenagers under the age of sixteen would make better drivers than their parents, many young children are far more aware of international politics than are their parents, and quite frankly, there are many seven year olds who would make much better decisions in life than many adults do.
There is unfortunately no shortage of examples of adults who drown hopelessly in debt by living well beyond their means, destroy their family lives with extramarital affairs, or throw their careers away as the result of problems with alcohol. Yet our society gives even these types of individuals full sovereignty over the lives of their children, even when these children would probably be much more capable at running the family than their parents.
In fact, children have an advantage over the rest of society in many ways. They are far better at learning new skills and better at analytical reasoning. They also tend to be far more creative and open minded. These attributes tend to become far less keen as people grow older. This can be seen in many daily examples, such as the fact that parents often have to ask their children for help when learning how to operate their computers.
The sad thing about our current state of affairs is not just that a large segment of our population has its rights and freedoms systematically denied, but the fact that our society is routinely denied the contributions of those citizens who potentially have the most to contribute.
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>>259440
>walls of text ignoring biology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_pruning
You are not immune to propaganda, but kids are especially susceptible. No country will let them loose instead of forcing them to sit and absorb  consensus narratives cooked in current year. Which also fits with your pic.
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>>259458
>complains about walls of text
>posts link to more random walls of texts
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>>259465
Random? I'm too lazy to explain shit, but I linked there what divides kids from adults inside their heads. Kids are more impressionable, so everybody else wants to take the advantage of it while they still can.
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>>259440
>Children should be allowed to vote if they can pass an immigration test
I agree so long as adults must do the same. No arbitrary age discrimination. I say this not because I oppose discrimination, but because I oppose retards voting and this would eliminate literally 75% of adults from voting. Heaven.
>>259467
>Kids are more impressionable
Okay. Probably. But being impressionable is not a disqualification for voting. If it were, we would need to basically eliminate all voters from voting since most know nothing about any of the issues and vote entirely based on what politicians seem attractive or based on the tone of voice of a TV reporter when he covered a candidate. 

In fact, anyone who thinks that America is a democracy should immediately be disqualified from voting.
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>>259478
You are treating a qualitative difference as a quantitative difference.
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>>259481
Or in more words, if the distribution has significantly blank bars between the aggregates of results, that's not the same as a smooth progression. Or call that a gobbledygook. Nobody pays me to argue shit.
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>>259481
>>259485
If the majority of adults were significantly more mature than literal children, we would not be in a situation where 200 years of voting has decreased the ability of adults to even have children without both parents working two jobs. If 200 years of adults working has led to congressional approval rating is around 10% while the re-election for said congressmen is 93%. If adults were significantly more mature than actual fucking children, they would rarely shoot each other over literal sportball results and instead engage in political violence against what many of them literally call fascism/communism. 

If Trump is a fascist and Biden was a communist, then why didn't these "adults" form revolutionary cells to overthrow them? That's what adults would do. But they didn't. It's all fake, immature, childish shit.

So if adults lack the maturity of children, just let 7 year olds vote.
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>>259494
You are arguing for more dysfunction in hope for faster collapse. Fine, but don't pretend that to be less dysfunctional.
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>>259496
Actually, I genuinely feel that it would change nothing in the immediate future. Children unironically are not that much more immature than their parents, on average. Furthermore, if women can vote, there is literally no logical argument why a 10 year old should not vote.
So it is in large part because it is fair that I want this.
>>257047 (OP) 
>since the regime has stated that its goal is to get every featherless biped to vote,



Voter registration is a contract . Whenever you see the term registration alarm bells should go off . When you regiter anything for example your car. You are giving it over to the government or more appropriately the Corprate Goverment . this includes voter registration you wave what few rights you have by agreeing to the hidden meanings in the contract and bind your self further into being a slave of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION  they don't care who you vote for they are giving you a chance to vote for different employees of the corporation but its the same owners. Why do you think there are massive campaigns for voter registration? They don't care who you vote for but they want you to register since its a contract where you wave even more of your rights and agree they get to determine who you are.

AVOID ALL TYPES OF REGISTRATION


<meet your strawman

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>>257086
They need voting to get people to register see>>259499 they could care less which employees you vote for whether they are from the coke party or the Pepsi party. Every thing that we think are governments at least in the anglo sphere are for profit corporations Masqurading as Goverments.
>>259499
>Why do you think there are massive campaigns for voter registration?
Why don't they drop the act and register children to vote? Let children vote.

Also, if I didn't register to vote, would I have more rights?
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>>259501
They actually would probably love to do this if it meant more registration of people just like women entering the workforce meant double the tax revenue.
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>>259502
Why don't they then?
And if I had never registered to vote, would I have more rights?
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>>259499
Isn't in theory most contracts an exchange of services or their equivalents? Of course the legalese makes them as slippery and one-sided as possible, not gonna argue otherwise.
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>>259506
The most fitting word is obfuscating, lol.
>>259503
If you resiter to vote you are further contracting into being a non natural person in the eyes of the law and further agreeing that you are an ens legis or legal fiction that has no more rights in the eyes of the law then say a box shipped by Amazon has rights. The law uses legalese   where there are words that sound similar to common tongue but have completely different definitions in law. Its to trick people into sign documents or contracts where they don't know what they are agreeing to . Voter registration is one such type of contract and the easiest one to get out of.

this is what many are agreeing to become when signing these documents


Ens Legis
>Definition and Citations:
>L Lat. A creature of the law; an artificial being, as contrasted with a natural person. Applied to corporations, considered as deriving their existence entirely from the law.

 https://thelawdictionary.org/ens-legis/



not a natural person
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>>259510
the word person on any document has a ton of meanings in law and who ever you sign with gets to set the defntion of what it means if you don't understand what the word person means in law. This is how tricky it is



In Title 8 of the United States Code, “person” is defined in 8 USC 1101(b)(3) as: 

>The term “person” means an individual or an organization.

The term “individual” is not specifically defined and thus defaults to the dictionary definition. Here is the one from Black’s 4th:

>As a noun, this term denotes a single person as distinguished from a group or class, and also, very commonly, a private or natural person as distinguished from a partnership, corporation, or association; but it is said that this restrictive signification is not necessarily inherent in the word, and that it may, in proper cases, include artificial persons. State v. Bell Telephone Co., 36 Ohio St. 310, 38 Am.Rep. 583

As you can see, the definition above allows it to also “include artificial persons.”

Then, finally, we have the term “organization” from the Title 8 definition of “person,” which is defined at 8 USC 1101(a)(28):

>The term “organization” means, but is not limited to, an organization, corporation, company, partnership, association, trust, foundation or fund; and includes a group of persons, whether or not incorporated, permanently or temporarily associated together with joint action on any subject or subjects.
>>259503
Assuming you are in the several states AKA America not to be confused with UNITED STATES which is a foreign owned corporation located in the District Of Columbia. To retain your rights instead of having privileges you want to naturlize into whatever state you are living in. For example if you where in New Hampshire  you would want to naturalize as a newhampshirite then you get both the protection of the constitutions bill of rights and your state constitions bill of rights. US citizens have no rights because US Citiizens where created from the 14th amendment the one that gave non naturalized freed slaves a special class of citiizen ship. Before that Americans had citizen ship of their state Newhampshire New Jersey ECT. Technically if you are white you cant be a US citizen  since it only applys to freed slaves of African decent and was a special citizenship created for free slaves and was defined by the Slaughter House case on the 14th amendment. ALso to make matter more confusing there are two states. The corporate one which is basically a subcoporations of United States and the dejour unincorporated orginal state. One trick to tell the difference it seems is if State is capitalized you are dealing with the corporate version and if state is uncapitalized you are dealing with the dejure unicorpirated one. In law the incorporated one relies on the incorporated one just as newer programs rely on the older code they where built on Like Windows being built over DOS. Think of the Coprates State Being like windows and the unincorporated state being like DOS is still there under everything just hidden.
>>259532
Check if your State city or county is indexed as a Buisness corporation on Dun and Bradstreet



example

State of Washington Corporate listing

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.state_of_washington.9ee4b08bd3f8cdbe929758b6cb42edce.html


County of King corporate listing

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.county_of_king.70d50c18fd9c7c675b300312c18545b6.html



City of Seattle corporate listing

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.city_of_seattle.eba8ef2ef540a2f3a8c85a2a2abd917c.html
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>>259536
United States corporation is a difficult one to find on Dun and Bradstreet because there are so many corporations with United States in there title but the embassy is an interesting listin


EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


>Doing Business As: US EMBASSY JAKARTA ?

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.embassy_of_the_united_states_of_america.7cb944678b67f8aac4ce00c3df79a995.html

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.embassy_of_the_united_states_of_america.7cb944678b67f8aac4ce00c3df79a995.html
>>259510
>If you resiter to vote you are further contracting into being a non natural person in the eyes of the law and further agreeing that you are an ens legis or legal fiction that has no more rights in the eyes of the law then say a box shipped by Amazon has rights
What rights specifically did I lose though?
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>>259532
So based it hurts.
>>259604

the right to bear arms for the privalage  to register fire arms. Notice that there is a difference between arms and fire arms thats the gotcha . The right to not have to pay fedral and state income taxes ...its called revocation of election and by agreeing to be a us citizen on various documents you volunteered to pay taxes or fees to the United States Corporation. The right to travel on public roadways for the privalage to drive under the commerce clause and be subject to road pirate fines by collection agents of the corporation called police.
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>>259499
>getting your opinions from hotlinked jewtuber videos
It's not a verbal contract actually it's just proof to be used against you that you are competent. If incompetent they can't arrest you and you go to a hostpital of some kind instead. 

Registration to vote or own a car is just admitting you'll put up with stupid shit though and they treat you accordingly, like you'd fall for stupid shit, because you did. Because everyone did they are used to walking all over people of whomst never ever ever stand up for their original rights ergo you have none as the original rights are dying off due to a lazy and cowardly ignorance. 

>>259532
If rich you can just get sent to your state you prefer when being charged due to your lawyer proving you are innocent as currently you are guilty until proven rich so that's all that REALLY matters in law but you can go ahead and think it's a puzzle box if you want. 

>>259637
Reported for advertising. :^)
>>259636
So, if I didn't register to vote, id be able to own any kind of weapon and the cops couldn't do anything about it?
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>>257047 (OP) 
>>259705
No you would also have to contract out of selective service drivers liscence and w2 any document that you marked a box where you agreed to be a US citizen. You would attach a long form birth certificate …(legal one) along with an affidavit that you where born in the unincorporated state of your birth. Fill out a DS 11 in a special way attach the long form birth certificate and avidavit of naturalization. If you did it right you a passport that makes you no longer a citizen but a national. This becomes your ID if police look it up it shows diplomatic immunity. Then supposedly you go to DOT department of transportation which is above the DMV. And apply for a non commercial carrier number which they will give you for free if you fill out the request right. You put the numbers on plates and if cops run them they don’t pull you because their computers show NON COMMERCIAL and they have only jurisdiction in commercial or commerce matters Which those with drivers license and registration fall under. There are lots more steps to removing yourself from US citizen status. Not registering or filling out the form to cancel your registration is just the quickest and easiest one to do. And it’s a dirty hidden contract. but there are more steps to be taken on the journey of freeing yourself.
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>>260211
>you would also have to contract out of selective service drivers liscence and w2 any document that you marked a box where you agreed to be a US citizen
I don't recall agreeing to be a US citizen.
>You would attach a long form birth certificate …(legal one) along with an affidavit that you where born in the unincorporated state of your birth
> Fill out a DS 11 in a special way attach the long form birth certificate and avidavit of naturalization. 
>apply for a non commercial carrier number 

Okay, so assuming I do all this stuff, THEN can I own a machinegun and cops won't bother me?
Also, how come it didn't work for these people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCTTxOl_G2A
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>>260219
It's one of those things which is technically correct, but the government doesn't give a shit about its own laws and will kick you out of the country instead. You can always renounce citizenship, but the trouble is you usually have to find somewhere else to live.
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AI should be allowed to vote. We might progress in the right direction for once if our human animals had a filter on them.
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