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>>251893 (OP) 
Oh yeah, I forgot to add: If we consider childhood obesity to be abuse, then an overwhelming majority of children are being abused. It's kind of insane and infuriating to me that the kids who seem to endure the most physical abuse are also physically healthy or at least fit. The fat kids tend to either be "okay" in terms of not being smacked around for breaking a dish, or "merely" being emotionally neglected. 

I don't blame children for being fat. I blame the parents.

>>251894
The obesity issue has two sides. One is diet, another is the lack of safe environment where the kid can burn their excess calories out. Usually parents would rather make you sit at home doing nothing than let you out unsupervised. I was raised in the boonies myself, so I was able to wander around by myself a lot starting from the age of 5, honestly. It didn't feel like neglect personally. I was smacked more than a few times, but never without some reason for that. Being mistreated from pure malice feels worse than being punished for acting naughty first. The worst I felt about were these types of comments "You will never (insert something positive to strive for as an adult)". That seriously kills your motivation if that comes from a person you are supposed to trust unconditionally. Well, you can get used to anything if exposed enough.

>>251893 (OP) 
>Were you abused as a kid? 
No
>Would you say majority of children are abused or neglected
Yes probably most children these days and young adults essentially  will be living with their parents until they die which then they will have no idea of what to do and essentially be dropped out into the real world  not only were they set up to fail especially if they were male. 
most young men these days are completely empty inside even if they appear okay on the outside.

Children are just expected to somehow make things work when they are just simply impossible. 
>treated like an pet
>you're supposed to work somehow even if you cannot get a job
>if you're a guy you are taught that you should hate yourself by women and if you are white you inherent the sins of the great grandfathers 
>women including their own mothers have conditioned young men to essentially sit inside until they die because they weren't born rich and attractive
>women cannot even let young men even enjoy that going out of their way to make their only entertainment shit
I don't know where we went so wrong. I'm just so tired of it all.

>>251894
>if we consider childhood obesity to be abuse
I'm  unsure on this.

>>251896
>Usually parents would rather make you sit at home doing nothing than let you out unsupervised. 
Yeah, that seems to be the culprit when I ask (I don't imply that I'm asking them simply because they're fat, but just asking how often they get to play outside)

>>251897
Makes me hate women.

>>251893 (OP) 
My dad was pimped out by his mom to his brother, so i think I got off easy

>>251893 (OP) 
I aged out of foster care myself but imageboards are often full of normalfags that had parents they loved and also want to have kids or even has kids. Also most are right wing and often it's the left wing idea to not beat kids. They think bullying fixes things now days, imageboard users. Surprised you weren't having your head bit off yet over it. Abuse is a buzzword to begin with though.  
>>251901
/r/kentucky

>>251901
That really sucks.

>>251930
I believe that my own experiences made me sympathetic to children as well as made me very strongly question authority figures, which makes me right wing.

>>251893 (OP) 
>Were you abused as a kid?
yes, mother's a narcissist who never admitted wrongdoing. physical abuse, but emotional abuse was worse. its one thing to be emotionally abused by someone and another thing if your mother never loved you and the world gaslights you about it. i think thats why im fucked up.
>And no, I'm not a councilor, so I am dealing with a relatively representative sample of the population
specify
remember mothers day and fathers day. parents are venerated, and children are treated as property, im sure they are glad to be believed. you should already know you can't believe the other side of the story, they just lie. as long as you are not asking "suggestive questions" then the responses are likely true.

remember most bitches are crazy and they arent any less crazy with their children. if theyre getting in a divorce, probably because either/both parent are just awful people so they cant stand one another.

>Is this normal?
it probably really is as common as you perceive it to be, its not normal for a sane society. they might end up like me with crippling depression since childhood.
but there is usually no recourse if they aren't being severely neglected with big bruises, you cant fix awful people and state can't appear to overstep. 
in my case i was luckier, my father took me in, he was mostly absent, but at least i didnt have to live with my crazy mother. she said she was beat as a kid as well.

>obesity
not necessarily, could be metabolic thing/ignorance
breakfast is a cultural thing

>>252096
>children are treated as property
It's funny because I have openly informed several of my students that they are legally property and challenged them to contemplate this.
>you should already know you can't believe the parents
I know. I only stressed the possibility of children lying because I know that many adults assume that children are lying. It's true, children fib. But they don't just make up abuse wholesale, especially if they're not familiar with it at home. And these stories mesh with my own experience and, I suspect, yours as well. So I do believe most of what I hear and none of what the parents say.

You're correct as there is nothing I can do. I'm glad that your dad helped you out of the grip of your mother. It infuriates me that this sort of thing happened to you and to a huge percentage of my friends (plus myself). If you don't mind me asking, how do you feel about your past? Now that you've grown up and more or less escaped their control, what keeps you holding onto the anguish?

>>252101
>I have openly informed several of my students that they are legally property
Pedo rapist.

>>252105
And where do you get that idea?

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>>252101
>how do you feel about your past?
I want to leave it behind, for the most part I dont think about it. I can see parts of it influencing my current day, it gave me paranoia about surveillance which isnt a bad trait, it made me anxious about wearing socks indoors because it is easier to "fall down"

>Now that you've grown up and more or less escaped their control,
I havent really, im still not independent and may be forced to interact with her in the future
>what keeps you holding onto the anguish?
I dont really, but if it caused my depression (+ other thing) then it has ruined my life before it really began. the typical societal pressures of school and life (go get a job and leave the nest) are too much pressure. would that i be capable enough to handle this. I have read about how stress early in life hinders adaptation later in life, so though i think i have left it behind, i can't help but wonder.
earlier today i was looking at getting on disability, it is humiliating to be crippled enough to consider applying. am i the failure, or am i just failed? i couldn't manage to fix myself in several years. not poor enough to qualify though.

>>252113
>. I have read about how stress early in life hinders adaptation later in life
It does and your position is understandable. 
If you do decide to get onto disabilities, you should think about it as a step you're taking to advance yourself into greater independence. It's okay to accept help. In this case, the help comes from an impersonal bureaucratic machine, so you should feel less guilt than if you were borrowing 100$ from a friend. Hell, there are millions of people who exploit the system who are not disabled at all. So you shouldn't feel any shame in using it to step up. That's not failure. That's proactive.

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>This is West Virginia
I was wondering where you lived for this much dysfunction to occur yet have the sympathy for what I presumed weren't niggers. I was only beaten once by each parent but calling my upbringing abusive may be borderline insulting though I undoubtedly turned out dysfunctional with the childhood I had so it's hard for to gauge if I actually had it bad and in perpetuity second-guessing myself regarding it.

>>252125
yeah its based to bleed jews but fucked to be dependent on them

>>252127
Maybe my title is a little hyperbolic. Based on very rough estimates, a majority of children here are being abused to a moderate or severe degree (including neglect with abuse), but I'd say that around 45% of kids are okay. imo, this is still not good since my standard for abuse is pretty high. But at least they're doing okay.
The thing about smacking your kid around is that if you do it often, it doesn't fucking work.
I don't believe that slapping your kid around is at all effective at behavior correction, but these weirdo parents aren't even doing it in any way that will be instructive. A slightly redacted example recently shared with me (it literally happened 3 days ago and was shared with me 2 days ago) is that a pre-teen girl failed to perform a task she was given (a very irrelevant one too) and a full day afterwards, the mother forced her to do something very painful and humiliating. 

This is idiotic. The punishment was itself psychotic (but also not something that leaves much evidence), but it wasn't even an immediate punishment but seemingly a random act of frustration thinly justified by a mistake that occurred 24 hours prior. If she is trying to teach her daughter to be an obedient slave, why wait a full day before punishing her?
No. What's going on is immature adults taking out their personal frustration on their own children and justifying it by reaching back to the most recent infraction. There is no plan. It's just adult-children and random violence. 

It may seem like I am singling out examples of moms being cunts because of my biases. However, I am genuinely describing things as they are and this literally just happened so it's on my mind. I've heard examples of psychotic dads too (mostly alcohol or sex related) but it seems that a majority of abuse cases here involve the mother.

>>252131
>Maybe my title is a little hyperbolic
Maybe just a tad bit.
>singling out examples of mom being cunts
I don't think so frankly but that just might be my experience. But women are cruel in general and no one  seems to ever call them out on it unless it's unreasonable standards.
>45 percent of kids are okay
To be frank. That's disgusting getting smacked around or just simply locked into a digital cage isn't exactly what I'd imagine anyone would want yet it's what it is.
Men are often shamed so much so often they try their hardest yet women get no word because doing so isn't simply reasonable to others.
>how can you hate your own mother your wife etc blah blah blah

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>>252127
I didn't mean to type beaten I meant physically abused.
>>252131
>but it seems that a majority of abuse cases here involve the mother
Do you think that would apply before women's rights became cemented. For what this is the worth the Brothers Grimm had many stories about evil mothers before they were changed to be family friendly by making it about stepmothers or fathers (since men are more aggressive, found the change innocuous and didn't think it'd be an attack on their character, and mothers nurture babies and young children so they'd be reading to them). Hollywood and other subversive propaganda through university lectures or whatever overexaggerating abuse by not just husbands but fathers and undermining how vindictive and brazen mothers can be and are. I personally knew someone who was tortured and suffered from a batshit insane mother while the gutless turd of a father and every other male family member did nothing until extended family (a female) eventually got involved by the time they were an adult and finally threatened police action. Do these cases you get overlap with single motherhood? How many of these kids are essentially fatherless. I'm preaching to the choir and don't want to get "too" political but we're already at the stage where an entire generation of males are permanently screwed and scarred due to women's liberation.

>>252138
It almost makes me wonder if men beating women in the first place was just conditioning and now guys are back at the opposite side of the table because they got amnesia.

>>252140
I've been thinking about this for months. Why is it that men have such visceral instinctual rage at women domineering over them and demeaning them? Stuff like men belong in mines, should be cannon fodder, mocking their low chances of ever winning a fair divorce case, that they need to be enslaved and made subservient uneducated brutes, they're all evil and want to abuse the weak, so on. Because they're right? Because it's insulting? Because we're insecure? Because it could happen? Because it's emasculation? Because it's just pertinent? Take your picks, the truth of those is personal.

I think the notion is supported by something deeper, that there is a core instinct of pre-historic tyrannical violent matriarchy enforced by torture and ganging that every man's blood is activated by through those things that say. That matriarchal enslavement and idol worship is a natural lowly state of humanity/civilization of the forever mommy that was broken by the males who stood up to and, say, no longer needed mommy and overthrew the opposite sex by making them in turn socially subservient. The historias obscuras of what is now Ukraine spoke of such a civilization. The peoples of the South Orkney Islands that worshiped a goddess of fire and death that the Yaghan spoke of with hatred. How some cultures in the prosperous and intelligent land of Africa are run by women. Since feminism we've been creeping back slowly to this state one example being male enforcers; how they'll jump to defend women no matter what or shaming each other for not falling in line with the status quo like finding marriage to non-virgins disgusting or anything else biased and unfair in the female's favor. And now with how they behave without any restrictions or rearing we're seeing what could be called their true nature: promiscuous, entitled, volatile, dishonest, self-centered, varying degrees of uncouth, even sadistic depending on the person.

When I first concluded this hypothesis it pushed me further away then I already was with them now being a malicious force of nature, only given quarter because of biology pertaining to coitus and how adept they are at manipulation. And I don't consider myself a real misogynist. Someone who actually hates women coming to the same conclusion would make alpha male grifters look milquetoast in their opinions on females. With that I think it's right to be afraid of and take them seriously as threats, and to take note of their ticks and deeds so that they can be justly recompensated. The powerful and the strong =/= the fittest.

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>>251893 (OP) 
My parents sometimes beat me as a kid when I misbehaved but it's really not what you'd call "abuse" and I don't think that it affected me in any tangible way.
I think what probably affected me at a deeper level was my mother's neurotic personality. She was always paranoid and anxious about my (and my siblings') safety and stuff and would always think of the worst case scenarios for everything, and I think that she partially instilled this mindset in me, but this may be largely genetic, and also, this doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing (better than being a careless person). She was also a christcuck who was constantly calling everything sinful and satanic which (as gay as these words may be) may have made me a less "tolerant" or "open minded" person with more of an "us vs them" mentality... but again, we know that being the opposite is also bad if not worse.
As for my father, he was very frugal and was also basically a hoarder, which may have influenced me to be a cheapskate and also a hoarder (at least digital hoarder), but again, this may be largely genetic, and it's also not a completely bad trait (better than being a vapid consumerist).