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If you were to run down a top ten of what makes a harem anime a harem anime and what are the biggest, most recognizable cliches, what would they be?

Does anyone still remember or like this genre in this age?
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>Does anyone still remember or like this genre in this age
I don't know anyone who does, Not even myself harem is boring because there's no real fun in basically half a dozen people fighting over another person.
Other than to make people laugh because the main character is a piece of shit or dense. Love triangles are more interesting but they always end up being melodrama usually. 

Do visual novels with multiple girls count as a harem despite you picking a girl in the end? I just don't see the harem anime coming back unless the stars align perfectly for a bunch of horny 14 year olds to discover anime again.
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>>774 (OP) 
Harems are still a thing but they are more subtle now and it's not really a genre in itself anymore. I guess the battle harems spam of the 2000s and early 2010s turned people off from the genre or just that unoriginal studios and publishing corporations just switched their focus from battle harem to isekai as their low-risk genre of choice. That being said, battle harem do feel like a genre more teenagers high on puberty would prefer while those shitty slow-life isekai cater to them as they grow older and become disillusioned by the Japanese salaryman life. So perhaps the audience just changed and it impacted the industry.
>top 10 cliches 
Dense as fuck MC is the single biggest one.
Weak unworthy MC is another one but is not always there.
All the girls have different and clear archetypes.
The famous 'fall down and grope tits' or 'girl fall down and put her ass on my face' scenes.

Those are the ones that come to mind right now, but last one might just be an ecchi cliche more than anything else.

>>775
>Do visual novels with multiple girls count as a harem despite you picking a girl in the end
Not if there is no multiple girl ending or something that involve romantic relationship with multiple girls at once during the common route. Having many girls open to you at once is just a love triangle/polygon type of situation. The lines blurs at some point.
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>>776
>Not if there is no multiple girl ending or something that involve romantic relationship with multiple girls at once during the common route
That kinda made me think about something. What if there was an anti harem essentially a pathetic loser trying to win over multiple girls and just gets denied until he stops giving a fuck and it becomes a harem again.
I don't remember any anime doing anything similar.
>highschool dxd almost does it but just girls fall over main protagonist kun and jiggle their tits around for no reason and love him for no reason
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>>777
Sound like Golden boy but it's not an harem since he go after the girls one by one and then go somewhere else with a new girl.
>>774 (OP) 
Redo of Healer
>>776
Part of me wonders if the reason it fell off wasn't also because they lost some of their charm with the transition to computer graphics and animes like that need charm to function. Imagining Tenchi Muyo rendered with modern computer methods makes me think the viewership would've been distinctly lower and the series less well-liked.
>>776
The "tsundere love interest who beats the shit out of the MC at the slightest misunderstanding" trope popularized by Love Hina is definitely a defining cliche too
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