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Could you share some advice for someone looking into becoming lucid in their dreams?
there is a lot i wish to experiment with it, i read one can practice skills in a lucid dream and become better at it in the real world, and that one could have a conversation with their subconscious. 
the potential of this perplexes me, and i wish to explore its secrets.

I've tried for over two weeks now with minimal results, what techniques and tips would you recommend to help me become lucid?
Please. and thank you.
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From what I remember: dream journal is a must, learning how to wake up without opening your eyelids immediately, make a habit of checking if you are dreaming by looking at your palm and concentrating on the fact that you are awake if you practice it enough it will be your key to lucid adventures.
I know some books on the topic but they are all in slav, and all my sources for the info are dead slav imageboards.
Also persistence I tried it for month with some results and kind of stopped doing it
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>>2209
Russian? If so post, them
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uuuuuuh Is it true I can have SEX in a lucid Dream?
Can I live out my questionable unrealistic fetishes and enjoy them fully as if they were REAL???
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>>2211
Just make sure not to confuse real life with a dream and accidentally rape your mother or something
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>>2210
Here is a 12 year old .pdf should be enough information to get you started.
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>>2212
so you're saying its just like the real thing? with anyone or anything i can imagine? no matter how morally questionable it is?

Teach me your ways
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>>2214
Yeah, but more than likely you will end up getting raped by demons.
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>>2215
>but more than likely you will end up getting raped by demons.
Now I'm really interested
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>>2216
I would share some techniques with you, brother, but then I would be responsible for your soul after your rectum was impregnated with satan's spawn.
what method works most consistently with lucid dreaming?
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>>2219
The method I used, which honestly, I cannot remember where I learned it from, was to have reminders built in throughout the day. Such as looking at a clock or watch and asking if you are awake. I did that for quite a while, not sure how long, but then one night, I had a dream in which I did that, and as it was supposed to, triggered me to realize I was dreaming, and then I had complete control of my dream. I eventually stopped playing around with lucid dreaming as I would get too excited and then wake up mentally, but my body was still asleep, and I would be in a sleep paralysis state. It got too annoying, so I have not done it in a long time.

> tldr Have reminders throughout the day that will carry over into your dreams that trigger you into realizing you are dreaming.
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>>2220
>addendum

The reminders are there to help you notice that the dream world is slightly off. Using the watch or clock technique and asking if you are awake is intended to help you perceive the distortions between reality and the dream, so it causes the trigger.
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How do i prevent insomnia when trying the WBTB method? i find myself unable to fall back asleep after waking up
should i take Melatonin to help with my sleep?
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>>2222
It all depends on your perspective
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>>2208 (OP) 
I did my research a few years ago before losing interest.
Do maximize the frequency and quality, you do dream journaling (already mentioned) and mind&body-sense awareness meditation (with completely no non-essential movement or eye movement) as a tool to drift into sleep. One thing I haven't tried yet is to gaslight yourself that you're already lucid dreaming even before you've fallen asleep.
The secondary buildings blocks would likely be generally taking care of brain's health, and trying out different practices that involve different types and areas of metacognition.

> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10773514/
>Alpha waves can be much higher during LDs than during REM sleep
Push the brain towards specific lucid dream-associated frequencies by listening to their sound forms before and/or during sleep.
And don't forget the classics of taking melatonin (up to 15 mg) before sleep, doing reality tests (pinch yourself or something, and do some math in your mind; already mentioned) during wake time to make it such a habit that it bleeds into the dreamworld, having a diet and lifestyle good for neuroplasticity and gut health, et cetera.

>>2209
>wake up without opening eyelids
That's more about drifting into potential hypnagogic dreams. Just to clarify.

>>2227
Open the most boring books you can find and start reading.
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>>2245
You could also look up which non-neurotoxic/non-toxic (I'm not your dad, DYOR) herbs are good at making dreams/nightmares more clear. Empirically, valerian root tea helped me.

>>2213
The only good recs in the PDF are making dream maps, categorizing your dream characters, taking glycine, and the suggestion of using whatever hypnosis you can to get yourself into LD. The literature rec list is trashy; best it has is Jung who will only tell you how to do active imagination but not the actual lucid dreaming.
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>>2246
so if i master lucid dreaming i can hang out with my favorite 2hus, right?
Now tell me how to induce a permanent coma or make a time chamber in my dream
>>2208 (OP) 
Hey op im not well versed in lucid dreaming itself but im a hermetic occultist and so i think i could be of atleast some help 
What in particular are you struggeling with?
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>>2261
falling back asleep after waking during the WBTB method. most of the times i just end up with insomnia and screw my schedule.
doesn't help that recent events have added some stress and uncertainty with the future, which is making sleep harder as my mind is troubled.
aside from that, I've yet to attain lucidity after 18 days.
How the hell does lucid dreaming even work
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>>2290
You wake up but your body remains asleep. Can cause problems with sleep paralysis if you are prone to it. It takes practice, but it is doable for most everyone.
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20 days in and little to no luck.
any advice?
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>>2311
Tell us about your training
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>>2312
WBTB plus taking 15mg Melatonin an hour before bed and doing reality checks frequently throughout the day.
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>>2313
There is a supplement that you can take that may help. I cannot remember off the top of head, but when I get home I will go through some stuff.
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>>2314
tell me when you do!
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>>2315
So, the supplement I remember reading about was, I believe, Galantamine. Here is one product that has it and is marketed for lucid dreaming. I don't think the product alone will cause a lucid dream, but in combination with what you are already doing, it might be the final cause that breaks the dam and your first lucid dream. I have never taken it myself, as I have some degree of sleep paralysis off and on since I was a kid, so becoming lucid in my dreams seemed a bit easier for me. If you haven't already started keeping a dream diary and recording as many of your dreams as possible, I would suggest starting. Anything you can do to make yourself more aware of your dreams is always good. The link below is for a 2018 study on the effects of Galantamine on lucid dreaming.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6082533/
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>>2315
Forgot the pic for the product. There might be better Galantamine sources out there, this is just the first I came across. I hope this is helpful
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i've recently had a major breakthrough, but not a lucid dream yet.
 i was buying melatonin on some shitty pharmacy store for lucid dreaming, in my dream. and after some dream nonsense later on i noticed it was 13:00, but it was night outside. but i woke up shortly after as this occurred shortly before my alarm went off.
doing an anchor by holding my thumb and index finger together has had a noticeable effect, and i will be doing it along side all my other things.
>>2316
>>2317
This seems interesting, I'll keep an eye out for it.
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>>2208 (OP) 
Be careful what you wish for

I had a dream last night where i was somehow hugging a giraffe through a fence, it was very comfy until suddenly hyena came and attacked it in the neck and sucked its blood slurping it out of its neck. Another dream was a diahrea attack and i shit myself publicly, literally couldn't stop shitting all in the same night.
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can i hang out with my waifu in a lucid dream?
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>>2320
>Another dream was a diahrea attack and i shit myself publicly, literally couldn't stop shitting all in the same night.
this is (You)?
>>2318
Sounds like you are getting really close. Keep it up you are almost there ☺️
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Once again, very close to a lucid dream!
I took a short nap in the day having barely slept last night
after a brief dream, i was awake once more, but then i noticed i was becoming increasingly paralyzed. this was proof that i was about to enter sleep paralysis, and thus a chance to enter a lucid dream!
but unfortunately the paralysis faded and i woke up properly.
Considering this incident with yesterday, I think I'm very close towards having a lucid dream!
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>>2330
>cant lucid dream
consider suicide retard
>>2330
awesome!
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Yet another very close call, but no lucid dream just Yet.

After having woken up outside in my bed on a cold snowy night, i went back to my home with all my things and turned on my computer
I noticed once again the time was 13:00 while it was still night outside, and winter while it was may, and begun to ponder why that might be the case.
but before i could figure it out, the alarm off and woke me up. i then fell back asleep and into a normal dream again.

I will have to adjust my alarm to go off a hour later. I'm beginning to notice things more clearly.
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>>2334
How is the dreaming going?
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>>2335
not too good
I find myself having trouble falling asleep during the wbtb method, even after taking enough melatonin to kill a horse. 
as i am writing this i have once again failed to fall back to sleep after two hours.
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>>2336
I'm sorry to hear that anon, hopefully you'll figure it out eventually.
In the meanwhile, I really want to know what's up with that pic.
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>>2338
After looking at it for a while, I'd guess that's a tengu followed by three awoos.
>>2338
that's clearly a negro running from the KKK
Sometimes I will do everything short of falling asleep (turn the light off, lie down, throw some blankets over me, shut my eyes) and start dreaming while awake, usually hallucinating that some figure I can't identify is watching me from a short distance, typically peeking around my door frame, before it promptly runs away. Guess that's more like the polar opposite of lucid dreaming. Sleep paralysis maybe? Though, like I said, I'm awake or not fully asleep at the very least. The times I have successfully initiated lucid dreaming were preceded by these episodes. Unfortunately, I almost always jumpscared myself awake when I achieved it. Unlike coming back to reality after noticing I'm being watched during sleep paralysis, I usually fixate on a door or window and something pops out from behind it and lunges at me shortly after.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I've just had a lucid dream!

I was wandering a grocery store looking for some cold drinks
but then i noticed they were not in Fridges, but piled up in Shopping Baskets under the shelves...
so i looked down into my hands to see if i was dreaming, and then i realized my hands were off and I WAS DREAMING!
I Believe had a lucid Dream!
Looking down at my hands helped clarify that i was in a dream.
I tried to Fly or do something special, but it didn't work.
i did i managed to turn one of the guys i was with into a cheap and looking Dragon before turning him back into a human.
However, The Dream quickly begin to fade as my consciousness was drifting, I tried looking at my hands again but it was too late.
I then Had a false awakening where i tried getting on ZZZchan to write of my experience

But now that I've woken up, The Lucid dream feels very groggy and foggy, as if I was just Dreaming that i had a lucid dream.
Someone Please Correct me if This was Indeed a Lucid Dream.
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>>2342
Did the lucid dream cause you to start capitalizing random words?
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>>2343
No, I was mostly focused on my intents and reality checking.
I even breathed through my nose while holding it.

If you're referring to the post, It was haste-fully written and poorly corrected.
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I had to take a short break from attempting a lucid dream due to being busy last week, but i got another Close one, but not as close as my first "successful" lucid dream.
rather, i found one particular part very vivid, and had some semblance of control, but i wasn't fully lucid. at least i don't believe i was.

 It was when i suddenly stopped walking down a familiar road, and wandered into an empty room, i then started imagining Doorways appearing before me, Doorways which I painted with my mind.
but i believe whatever lucidity i had was quickly lost following the next part of my dream.
and i doubt i was fully lucid, because painting doorways or making portals was not in my intentions for the moment.
I believe I'm improving my control and awareness.
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SUCCESS! LUCID DREAM ATTAINED
I did it. I can now Confirm I've had a lucid dream!
Now to start, I got insomnia this night after waking, and decided i would take a nap later on. 
When i fell asleep and begun to dream, I dreamed of some bizarre road trip.
I was then in my childhood home when it was completely covered in snow, more specifically Dunes of snow partially burying the place.
I noticed it was supposed to be summer, and i wasn't supposed to be there, and so i did a reality Check, and then I noticed I was in a dream.
The First thing I did was attempt to fly, which i didn't quite get.
Then I just wandered around the home, which didn't seem unusual, and decided i would go outside.
I found a military backpack sitting on the floor and tried to find some warm clothes, I've even tried to will clothes in there, but found nothing inside.
ultimately I chose to go outside without anything, Since this was a Lucid Dream after all, not a very vivid one.
Around me were massive snow dunes completely encasing my old home and the neighborhood, it was really bizarre, like a terrible snowstorm just swallowed up the land.
I then attempted to Fly, but didn't get high and fell into the snow, which was surprisingly deep.
I begun to wonder if anyone else was here, Given i was completely alone. 
and suddenly not too far off from where i was sitting, I Spotted Nazrin, or at least a poor dream interpretation of Nazrin laying on the ground, lifeless like a doll with white icing covering her under skirt and legs.
coming near her, I tasted the white stuff and it was indeed Icing, or tasted like it, looked like it too.
however, the sight of her laying there with her underskirt covered in white stuff reminded me of something more perverse, and the sight of her pantsu made me incredibly aroused.
Though I managed to Contain these Urges, because i wanted to do other things as part of my intentions, mainly practice and experiment with my newfound lucidity.
I did several more reality checks to confirm i was in a dream, but I was losing control and the dream became a bit murky despite my best efforts to retain lucidity. 
So before I woke up I decided I would go to space, and Then Tried to Imagine space and all its stars.
I managed to Get "Space" to appear in the sky, but it looked more like a Video Game, With miniature Planets Dotting the sky and a purple tinted space skybox covering it all
I then tried again to fly and managed to succeed, but i wasn't very fast. an so I begun to gradually ascend across the many small planets.
But because i was starting to lose control, the planets gradually begun to appear less rendered and warped as i struggled to retain lucidity.
and then i transitioned into my bed like it was all just a vision.
I can Confirm Now, that I've had a successful Lucid Dream!
or a lucid nap to be precise.

I Would Like to thank everyone for their advice which has helped me attain my first proper lucid dream.
and given how vivid it was compared to my previous success, It will only get better from here.
I would love for someone to suggest me to do something in my lucid dreams, mainly so i can add them to my bucket list of things to do and practice.

Here's a Crude Paint drawing of what I witnessed, I made this to help Retain memory and awareness of my dreams.
I'll Post my Methods and how I managed to Achieve it later on, i have things to do.
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Time for me to Explain what I've done to achieve my lucid dream. 
For me, MILD (Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams) has been the one that's granted me success. 
and I'll explain to you the techniques that have granted me success.

First I do Reality Checks semi-frequently throughout the day, Mainly when something unusual happens or odd appears. 
you should try keeping it up as a habit.
here's the reality checks that i do
>count the Fingers on my hand
>then try to press a finger through my palm
>if these don't work I try to breathe through my closed mouth or hold my nose and try to breathe through it
Second and arguably the most important step, have a Dream Journal Prepared. It can either be a book or on a .txt file on a computer.
The Journal is to Try and Memorize your Dreams in order to create awareness and pattern noticing when dreaming. Awareness is key to success, as you won't get a lucid dream unless you've conditioned to the signs that you're dreaming.
there's not much to say, but keep aware of things that might seem off, and if something is off be sure to do a reality Check.
>in the moment i am writing this, its early summer, but in my dreams it was winter or cold outside.
>It was typically night time, but the time on the clock displayed a time when it wouldn't be dark outside.
>I noticed I'm in a Location i am not familiar with, or a location i have not been at for a long time.
Third the WBTB Method.
I Set my Alarm to wake me 4 hours after bed, and ensure all the rooms are dark and there are no distractions that might disrupt me later.
When I go to bed, I Remind myself in my mind as i drift asleep "I will attempt a lucid dream"
After my Alarm wakes me, I take 3-5mg Melatonin and try to keep myself up for 5-10 minutes in order to wake my mind partially before going back to bed
>Avoid Lights or anything that could hamper your sleep cycle
>Keep yourself from waking fully or you might give yourself insomnia
>avoid getting out of bed if its not necessary
Fourth as i fall back asleep I focus on an Anchor, an Anchor is something you focus on as you drift asleep. This can be used for WILD (Wake-Initiated Lucid Dreaming) or to further Improve your awareness as you sleep.
they can be anything, from holding a hand sign to a subtle sound in your room.
The Anchor that has been most comfortable for me was putting my index finger on top of my thumb while pressing my middle finger onto the thumb's print.
Don't be too focused on the anchor, try to be focused enough to keep aware of it while you drift into sleep
>Don't Try to remain completely still, move to whatever sleeping position is currently comfortable at the moment as you would in normal sleep
>try not to focus or think too much, keep yourself in a clear mind as you drift into REM sleep
>don't forget to remind yourself of your intentions
Fifth
Now one of two things will happen, You will either fall asleep like normal or Begin to feel paralyzed throughout your body.
If the latter has occurred, that means you've entered sleep paralysis!
But Don't be worried, yet. this is a prime opportunity to enter into a lucid dream. 
<although I've had no success with that just yet
but here is how i Usually attempt it if I do enter sleep paralysis.
While in Sleep Paralysis, I Try and Imagine myself In a dream, I Either make up a dream scene or use one that I remember. I Focus on the Dream in my mind, and hope that I enter straight into it.
I tend to feel great discomfort throughout my body, but as long as i keep your eyes closed and try not to move, I'm usually fine. 
but the discomfort usually gets the better of me, so i snap out of sleep paralysis as i move to a more comfortable position.
>If all goes Well, You're In a lucid Dream.
>If all goes not so well, You've woken out of sleep paralysis
>If all goes wrong, you're stuck in sleep paralysis
Sixth
If you simply fell asleep, and didn't become aware that you were dreaming, Don't feel Discouraged, Its time for the most crucial part, writing down your Dream.
try and Memorize the Dream, The Locations, The Encounters, Maybe Draw a blueprint or scene of some location you remember. Do so just after you wake up if possible.
The whole point of Journaling your dream is to improve your dream awareness and memory, which will help your dreams to become more clear and your mind more conscious while dreaming.
Each Failed attempt is a learning opportunity, Practice is Key.
It has taken me roughly 54 Days and several close calls to achieve my first proper lucid dream. and my first close call was on my very first attempt! but you are not likely to get a lucid dream fist attempt, at least not one you are hoping.
>Memorizing your dreams is the most crucial step to achieving a lucid dream
>keep up with it and you'll eventually get one
>don't be discouraged if it takes longer than you've hoped, Keep trying and you'll get one eventually

That's It for now, I hope you find success through my methods.
I'll keep practicing and hope to attain better control and lucidity, Until Then.
>>2345
>needing to attempt to lucid dream
its beyond over for you anon
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>>2348
but he got one in the end.
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Had another Lucid Dream, wasn't expecting one so soon.
First two parts weren't lucid, but the last one is.

The first part was me and an old friend celebrating the destruction of Israel after it becomes a smoldering crater.

Then i woke up and initiated the WBTB method

The 2nd part was me playing some form of hotline miami clone, then my character grabbed a plane and left.
which then lead to some MMOrpg mod page that was for some reason compromised? i just remember being mad.

THE PART WHERE I BECAME LUCID
I was Gordon Freeman with Alyx in a bunker, complete with an HEV suit, taking a piss in a toilet.
After getting out of the toilet, i thought to myself "was this a dream?" and looked down at my hands.
as was typical, they were off, six fingers in one, and four on another.
I Became Lucid.
I wasn't really expecting to become lucid that day, so i didn't have much in plan beyond exploring and practicing my control
the first thing i did was fly out into gm_bigcity. it was a bit surreal, like i was physically present in a video game.
i was getting much more accustomed to flying compared to my previous lucid dream. i was much faster, and it required far less mental effort.
i did a few spins to try and ground myself into the dream, and it sort of worked for the time being.
then i began to fly around a bit, before trying to fly somewhere else.
Then i was in minecraft, which i wasn't so keen in being, so i flew high and far and tried imagining a great city before me.
and off into the foggy horizon a city began to form. first a few buildings, then more.
i landed on top of one of the skyscrapers, and thought of attempting the space thing again, but decided against it.
afterwards I decided I would interact with someone.
yet it seemed off when i summoned a "character", as i was then looking at a computer screen of one? and i was in third person?
then i was starting to lose consciousness, i tried to look down at my hands and ground myself in the dream.
but it was futile, and i drifted back into unconscious sleep.

I had some problems with retaining lucidity, but that was mainly due to me associating it all with some video game.
But Now that i have a slightly better grasp at controlling my dreams, i should attempt to interact with some dream characters, or explore on foot rather than flying everywhere at high speeds, it should help me retain lucidity and to explore the finer details of my newfound environments.

Regardless, i was improving my control.
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