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It has kept evolving and reinventing itself.  Millions still believe in some of its core principles and its teleological values to the point of seeing the words of Marx and Engels to a lesser extent as almost prophetic.

It's an odd thing that for a fascist board we don't have a thread to deal with this garbage that keeps making a return, in no small part due to the Jewish agents pushing for it in its all new forms. Yet there is so much to debunk about it, so much to analyze about the countries that have adopted it and usually suffered from one of its variants. So much to say about its currents re-emerging types, the recurring typical claims that are heard again as capitalism eats itself out. We must remind people of the atrocities committed in the name of communism throughout the world, dive into the details of the events, country by country, since the late nineteenth century to our present time.

I think we need to come up with a proper database of works that have attacked communism in one way or another, we need citations, we need to expose the inanity and convenient omissions of its voluminous content. We need to go through the lives and writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci and all the French thinkers who contributed to its birth and its expansion, and the members of the Frankfurt School who helped it evolve into a socially focused wider form, to compile a solid library of arguments and criticisms that will help any fellow White man escape the folly of communism and its ever appealing yet foolish material promises, which seem convincing upon a superficial approach, but prove to be complete failures once deeply studied without the blinders worn by leftists.

We need to keep tabs on the current political hard left groups and parties and how ZOG blatantly helps them. We need to expose modern communist agitators, high profile politicians, antifascists and e-celebrities selling Marxism anew. The numerous thinkers, authors, politicians and economists who have through their lives defended it are numerous, many of them Jewish, who so often praised communism. We should take a look at the coercive methods used by communist regimes, what the content of their propaganda was, how antisemitism was tackled.
>>16016
>cashless society and just no more money
>still capitalism up there at about 1%
>communism for the plebes down below
>anti-national socialism for all parasites
<B-but Marx said communism would follow socialism that would follow capitalism
Looks like they're compressing the whole agenda into one global event.
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Putin himself said something along the lines of communism having not really died in Russia.
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>>15579 (OP) 
I think I might become a commie considering I fail at everything I do. A natural fit, really
>>16032
I doubt this man
>>15579 (OP) 
I think the problem is that fascism does have similar roots to communism
The issue is less so with their diagnosis, but with their solutions
So when people rightfully see the issues of capitalism and global liberal hegemony, they see communism as the alternative.
The crux of the issue is that communism and liberal capitalism are both materialistic ideologies.
Most people do not want to read Gentile's critique of Dialectical Materialisn, read Sorel, etc., etc., or even know of them, so fascism stays as a niche off limits thing.

Anyways here's a link:

https://fascio.substack.com/p/giovanni-gentiles-criticism-of-marxism
>>15579 (OP) 
Why is every communist leader once he reaches authority he becomes the capitalist he was once criticising him? Like seriously, all these socialist & communist leaders all live wealthy and prosper than the 99% of the population they rule. Do they know communism is bullshit but they use it as a tool to get what they want?
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>>16203
Have you ever heard of the great Cuban paradise?
We should really take a look at Castro's lifestyle once he jammed his fat hairy arse in Cuba's power seat.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fidel-castros-amassed-massive-fortune-142104351.html?_guc_consent_skip=1786183498
https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/
https://www.realclearhistory.com/2021/11/25/castros_life_was_extravagant_-_and_hypocritical_805109.html
>Forbes Magazine, perhaps the news outlet best-known for tracking the net worth of wealthy individuals, made international waves in 2006 when it listed Castro among the richest world leaders. Despite being the leader of a communist country, the magazine pegged Castro's wealth at $900 million a decade ago. A large portion of that staggering wealth reportedly came from the Cuban leader wielding control over state-backed interests, including a convention center, a pharmaceuticals company and a retail chain.
>Castro, of course, denied the reports of his massive wealth. But Forbes wrote at the time that "former Cuban officials insist Castro, who travels exclusively in a fleet of black Mercedes, has skimmed profits from these outfits for years."
>In a country where the average monthly wage is just $20 and where food reportedly often remains scarce, Castro lived a life of luxury. Juan Reinaldo Sanchez, a longtime Castro bodyguard, wrote a 2014 book detailing the leader's cozy existence, reported Australia's News Corp. Sanchez pegged Castro's net worth at $168 million, while revealing the leader's favorite luxuries, such as a private island, lavish spear-fishing expeditions and trips on a 85-foot yacht.
>But perhaps the most stunning sign of Castro's true wealth was his compound, known as Punto Cero or Point Zero. While the leader reportedly had a number of other properties, Punta Cero was his lavish residence shrouded in secrecy, details leaking out slowly over the years. The property required four gardeners, had two chefs, six greenhouses, and, somewhat oddly, a dairy cow for each member of the Castro family, according to Sanchez's book.
>Castro, meanwhile, long claimed very few assets, saying he took only a small salary and had just a fisherman's cottage off the coast.
That money surely wasn't lost on everybody.
https://medium.com/@leibowitt/of-course-fidel-castro-is-justin-trudeaus-dad-nobody-has-debunked-anything-4db6fc8a9042
https://www.winterwatch.net/2026/01/was-fidel-castro-justin-trudeaus-daddy/ (you may want to ignore the cringe bits)
Some comments:

>So, now I am wondering who are the fathers of the younger brothers, Michel and Alexander ? If Pierre who apparently couldn't have kids, is not the biological father.

>I suspected that Michel wanted out of the sht-show... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/01/02/10438066-6758989-image-m-57_1551408650389.jpg
>I think Pierre pulled some strings to fake the avalanche skiing accident where Michel's body was never found.
"Dad... You are my dad, aren't you? I want out of your political sht-show of devasating Canada into a 3rd world country and selling out to world government."
>"Okay... son? We masons will arrange a new name and your escape from the public eye. You're a good one."
Haaa! Great analyses Karen, are you married?

>The photos are so compelling. What I see is that Justin inherited his mother's wide-set, light colored eyes, but almost every other feature is the same as Castro's. The nose, mouth, and chin (dimple) are identical. Look at Justin's tall, well-proportioned build.
>Then, look at pictures of Pierre, who looks like a weak-chinned weasel. I can't pick out even one feature that Justin and Pierre have in common.

>Just a correction: according to the -always precise- nerds from celebheights, Castro wasn't 6'3 (1.90m) but 6'1 (1.85m). Yeah, having 3inches on her husband might have made some difference, but it's not relevant when it comes to the massive Ted K.

>Why would it be necessary to conceal the name of the island after the Trudeaus had already visited?
>Two reasons:
>First, because that island was Cuba.
>Second, because although the island wasn't Cuba, Castro was there at the same time.
>Question: Where was Castro during this time period? Was he known to have not been in Cuba, or were his whereabouts unknown at the time (and presumably still unknown)? Can he be definitively placed on any of the islands visited by the Trudeaus? (The story that they were at another, unspecified, island could be a ruse.)

>1. Note 20 in the Wikipedia article cites another April 16, 1971 , report from The Ottawa Journal, from Port of Spain, Trinidad. It says, "The Trudeaus visited Barbados, and spent a day swimming off Bequia, a tiny island in the Grenadines, and nearby islets while they visited St. Vincent Monday." That Monday was the same Monday April 12 which the Tuesday April 13 report said, " Prime Minister Trudeau and his wife left here Monday by chartered plane on a quick sidetrip to an unidentified nearby-island." That report came in the middle of their holiday and for "security" the destination was "unidentified". The later report stated Trudeau had lunch with the PM of Trinidad & Tobago, and there was no secret about that.
>From the two news clippings it appears they had arrived in Barbados on Thurday April 8, spent Monday April 12 visiting St. Vincent, Bequia and smaller islets in the Grenadines, and arrived in Tobago on Tuesday April 13. Pierre had a luncheon date on Trinidad on Thursday April 15. The couple were due back in Ottawa by Sunday April 18.
>They might not have had any time for a Cuban stop-over on the way home, but how about on the outbound flight? Do we know where they arrived to Barbados FROM?
>A direct flight from Ottawa to Barbados is 2,146 miles, mostly over water with only Bermuda along the route until near the destination. It is possible the journey was made using one of three Lockheed L-1329 Jetstar 6 executive jets, which had a maximum range of 2,645 mi (4,255 km). For Instrument Flight Rules contingencies it is most probable that in 1971 their journey took them from Ottawa over Miami or Cuba, then to Barbados, and not direct. Weather could have necessitated a stop-over on either the outbound or return leg.
>2. When was Margaret Trudeau's first child conceived? The "normal" human pregnancy duration of 40 weeks from LMP (Last Menstrual Period) includes two weeks before ovulation. So a normal gestation is 38 weeks, hardly ever two weeks "over due" for 40 weeks, and if less than 34 weeks "premature" and requiring some extra attention. The Ottawa Citizen reported the birth weight as "six pounds nine ounce[s]", which isn't small but certainly not large, and quoted the Prime Minister as saying the "birth was 'an easy one' for his wife, with no complications."
>Pregnancy can occur from unprotected intercourse up to five days before until the day after ovulation. Libido tends to be highest around ovulation.
>Counting back 40 weeks from December 25 lands on March 20, about three weeks after the wedding, however a "two-week overdue" baby is usually bigger, and the labour more difficult. If ovulation occured on April 4th a "textbook" term birth would occur 38 weeks later, on December 25th. About half of babies are born after their "due date" and the other half before.
>Conception during a Cuban stop-over on April 7th could result if ovulation occured anywhere between April 6 and 12th. The child would be a couple days to one week early on December 25th. Conception during a Cuban stop-over on April 16th or 17th could result if ovulation occured between April 15th and the 21st. A child born on December 25th would be 12-17 days "early". So the dates certainly match up, though conception could just as plausibly have occurred any time during the trip. The "unidentified" island bit is a red herring though.

The usual dumb dumb:
>>LOL, the crux of your argument hangs on this trip to an unidentified nearby island when they were in the area of Barbados, Tobago, St. Vincent & the Grenadines. A simple look at a map shows how ridiculous that is. Cuba is over 1000 miles from Barbados. For your story to be true, they would have to have taken a 1000+ mile side trip to Cuba in the middle of their honeymoon so Margaret could bang Fidel Castro (who they knew, how?) and then they took another 1000+ mile trip back to the area of the other islands to finish the trip. Seems plausible. You offer no actual evidence that they went to Cuba during this trip, and your entire theory hangs on a complete ignorance of geography.
>It wouldn't exactly be a "side trip". They would have almost passed right over Cuba on the way there, and back. If they really were in Barbados at the time... then what the hell???

>"She once called Cuban dictator Fidel Castro the 'sexiest man I’ve ever met.' ” 
>Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/margaret-trudeau-flower-child-turned-prime-ministers-mom-ends-self-imposed-exile-from-spotlight
>"Of Fidel Castro with whom she flirted under Pierre’s nose, Maggie admits, 'He was the sexiest man I ever met.' ”
>Source: https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1979/3/5/people

>I would like to know if there is anything that can be found to flesh out the following quote from a 2014 piece in the Ottawa Citizen:
>"Thirty-eight years after that trip, Trudeau says she is celebrating the thawing of U.S.-Cuban relations along with the Cuban people, a move that was helped along through secret meetings held in Ottawa."
>Snopes has said that the Trudeaus did not meet Castro until 1976 but that timeline would appear to be in doubt if Fidel Castro was engaging in "secret meetings held in Ottawa".
>This Medium piece makes the case that for a first-time meeting in 1976 the Trudeaus seemed overly familiar with Castro. The 2014 article referenced above captures the same thing. Here's a quote:
>"Fidel made it clear in his opening remarks that the parents were important but not nearly as important as the baby. In some pictures Fidel had a big patch of wet saliva on his uniform because he had come over early to cuddle the baby.”
>Source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/margaret-trudeaus-cuban-memory-the-dictator-who-cuddled-her-baby/
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Continuing with the comments from the other website below.

>There is an interesting connection between Pierre and Fidel, they both had jesuitical educations and backgrounds. Margaret converted to catholicism in order to marry Pierre.
Justin attended a jesuit college. Three heads of the CIA have had jesuit educations, Casey, Brennan and Panetta. The very leftist leader of the Church of Rome is a jesuit. Is there a connection or just interesting coincidences regarding the influence of jesuitry.
Pierre Trudeau had that kind of mentality, looking for the good within one's enemy.

>From memory, Castro was baptized anomalously late, and is reported to have claimed Jewish ancestry:
>https://momentmag.com/island-within-island-cubas-jewish-history/

>Not jews – gypsies. True that the canaanites mingle pretty much with them, but because they are huns, not jews. Both daddies have this ethnicity, so definitely the son. But not all Castro brothers have the same father, so it’s not a family issue. Also Sinclair – another branch of canaanites, this time posing as christians and westerners.

>Fidel Castro was a CIA Agent –
>https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/05/Fidel-Castro-Worked-for-David-Rockefeller%20.html
Well, ((( Makow ))), so you decide. Sources are absent, as usual, but there are some valuable pieces of information about Castro's life and activities. Above all, where logic prevails, then here's food for thought:
>Makow Comment: I'm not sure what Molecule's sources are but his account seems plausible. After all the CIA and Communism are both instruments of the central bankers. If Castro was indeed CIA, we will look at modern history in a new light. The Bay of Pigs invasion, for example, was meant to fail, in order to discredit JFK and make Castro look good. A real US invasion of Cuba would have been justified. Now I understand why it didn't happen.
>Jim Perloff: "Note the absurdity: the U.S. spent billions and sent 500,000 troops around the world to Vietnam to "fight communism," yet it wouldn't lift one finger to fight communism in its own backyard."
Touché.
There's more on Castro.
https://henrymakow.com/2015/05/castro-exposed-by-former-bodyguard.html
https://henrymakow.com/the_death_wish_of_western_civi.html
>According to Nathaniel Weyl,  Ernesto Guevera and Fidel Castro were trained as Soviet agents. The "revolution" was largely funded and supplied by the Soviet Union. But they couldn't have succeeded without the complicity of the US, proof that the Cold War was an Illuminati* charade. The Left's infatuation with Castro Communism is a symptom of mental retardation
* Jewish
>Ariel Sharon was Che Guevara’s Cousin
>https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/04/che-guevera-was-jewish.html
Taken from https://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/06/believe-it-or-not.html
>>Only forty years after the death of Ernesto Guevara, the declassified materials from the archives of intelligence services of super-powers opened to us the true background of the improbable and tragic events, which overturned the life of Comandante. New documents bared with penetrating clarity the dramatic fate of the hero, who learned the secret of his Jewish origin, returned to his people and faith and died in search for salvation of the land and people of Israel.
>>Probably, everything began at the end of 1964. Possibly then Ernesto's mother, sensing close death (she will die in May 1965) disclosed to her son the surprising history of its life. Celia De La Serna was borne in 1908 into Buenos Aires religious family of Jewish emigrants from Russia. Girl named - Celia in memory of her aunt killed during the pogroms. Until age of eighteen Celia Sheinerman grew in the closed and stuffy emigrant ghetto, getting traditional Jewish education. However, upon official maturity, she immediately left the parents' house and religion, changed her Jewish name and only an year later married Ernesto Guevara Linch, a native of Argentina a. A year later she gave birth to Ernesto. Neither Che nor his four brothers and sisters ever suspected their Jewish roots.
>>Celia has thoroughly hidden her Jewishness, without telling about it even to her husband.
>Nevertheless, not long before death, she entrusts her secret to her dear son. The shaken Che learns that, according to Jewish tradition, he is a Jew and that in the old world he has close relatives along the maternal line. Celia knew from her parents that her brother Samuel, eighteen years older than she, remained in Russia. Like her sister, he left the house of his parents, for Zionist reasons, after refusing to go into Argentina. Celia knew about him only that after the departure of his parents, he left to Caucasus, and from there moved to Palestine.
>>    On 19 February, 1965, Guevara arrives to Egypt. In the United Arab Republic, which included then Egypt and Syria, Che will stay for a week week until 24 February. And then on 1 March he reappears in the Nile valley, remaining in Egypt for almost two weeks. But where has the Cuban minister spent the days between February 24 and March 1? The answer to this question became known only in 2007, when some CIA documents were declassified.
>>    On 25 February, 1965, Guevara leaves Egypt for Cyprus, and from there arrives to Israel, having for the first time entered the land of his ancestors. Guevara arrives in Israel incognito, he turns himself to the emigration service in Haifa in the almost futile attempt to find the family of his uncle; and the miracle happens: he reveals that he has a cousin of the same age!
>>    However, the cousin also did not preserve the parental surname. Eventually Ernesto Che Guevara meets in in Tel Aviv this cousin, the commander of the division of the combat training section of general staff, recently promoted to the rank of Major General - Ariel Sharon.
>>Guevara again levels charges at the USSR, hinting that it "sells its aid to people revolutions", for its own profit. In Moscow the speech is perceived as an insult, relations between Che and Fidel Castro are damaged finally.
>>    On 14 March Comandante arrives into Havana, and on April 1 he writes the farewell letters to his parents, children and his former nearest friend - Fidel, in which, he rejects the Cuban citizenship. In spring of 1965 Che leaves Cuba, heading in unknown direction.
>>    According to the official version, Che appears in the Belgian Congo, where allegedly he trains the partisans for the purpose of the overthrow of government. However, the extremely unsuccessful shooting war in Congo proves the fact that for Che the Congo is only a cover. In reality, he does not stay in Africa and arrives in Jerusalem immediately.
>>    The cousin acquaints Guevara with his friend and contemporary - rabbi Eliyahu Shaar Ishuv Cohen, who occupies at that moment the post of the deputy mayor of the capital. Under the guidance of Shaar Ishuv Cohen, Guevara begins his way to the Jewish tradition, studying Tora in central yeshiva of religious-Zionist movement - Yeshivat Merkaz Ha Rav.
Interesting if true.
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