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>They formed by fucking over hundreds of thousands of common people, whether it be the inbred nobles under feudalism who would rather marry a powerful foreigner than the underclass, or the later capitalists who would happily promote immigration if it meant cheaper labour costs.
This just proved my point for me, you have no idea how a natural elite forms and you think they always chose to marry outside their nation and race and were always somehow inbred, not even under feudalism was that true, the only family who showed such in droves was the fucking Habsburgs who were the worst of the worst and the most corrupt and degenerate of all, as shown the Habsburgs, that was more often true only of royal and ducal families who couldn't or wouldn't choose locally because nobody was of equivalent status or to avoid accusations of favoritism, and more often because they sought outside alliance to keep their people safe and preserve peace. This is all already after the corruption of christianity at any rate which started not with those in power but with the pathetic jewish slaves that Hadrian took from his victorious campaign in Judaea, which spread to the wives of the patricians who corrupted the children of said patricians, and so on and so forth. If only he had chosen to just fucking kill them all we wouldn't have christianity or communists like you today.
>Culture war is utilized by the mass media (whether the newspapers of past centuries or the internet journalism of today) to create a false sense of solidarity between the bourgeois mega-millionaires and the poor people who have less than ten million dollars.
That is not at all what the culture war does and it is quite literally all driven by the modern entirely communist aligned power structure (Which includes both modern "rightists", morons like you, and the idiots protesting for the plight of the ever so poor and put upon Hamas).
>Why would the elites have ever really given a fuck about peasants like us.
Because once they were of us, they sprang as strong and brilliant men out of the rest of us, led droves of other men to dominate others because they were weak, as our true history, nature, it's Law, and the gods show is the path of the righteous and truly pious.
I am no slave, nor could they ever make me so, I am not beholden to the laws of these disgusting men, I serve the laws of nature and the gods and I will see this world burn so that what is broken can be made whole once again.
>So they say, hey White buddy, we gotta stick together and fight the (French/Russians/Islamists/Blacks/Jews)!
If you seek to attempt to dilute my race you are my enemy, anyone who thinks just being White, no matter what they have done, is enough to get them through the judgement of the gods and the men inflicting their will on the world, they are sorely mistaken.
Even if the modern elite exploit the natural conflict between ethnicities and and races and religions it doesn't make those conflicts any less real, niggers and Whites cannot live together, nor can Whites and arabs or Whites and anybody non-white in any way at all. even with two different breeds of white there will be conflict though that can be wholly ameliorated within a single generation even, the lesser party can assimilate, that is not possible with wholly incompatible genomes. Even if you can skillfully rule so that the conflict is delayed eventually it will break out and nothing can be done to stop it, no matter what you do. This is the primary fundamental flaw in the thinking of commies, there is no universal brotherhood of man, or "worker", there never has been.
>Who do you think popularized Christianity? Elites could have crushed the churches and the priests if they wanted.
Slaves and women, first and foremost by the time anyone could have, or did recognize the threat they were too widespread and entrenched to stop, they had also gone to Germanic lands and corrupted some of them through the same methods that worked on Rome, first from the slave, to the woman, to the children which furthered Christianity's entrenchment in Europe.
Protestantism sprang out of the rebellion of the Aryan spirit against Christianity if Luther hadn't opened his big worthless fucking mouth, philosemitism and Christianity as a whole might have been defeated 600 years ago, alas they were but strengthened and this did not benefit the elites as much as you may think it is only later that protestantism took on it's current form though it was always destined for such as that was the very purpose of Christianity from the start.
>It's a lovely utopian vision. Class collaborationism sounds great on the chalkboard, it avoids a full restructure through social reform.
it is neither utopian nor unrealistic and is in fact how our societies functioned in their natural state and no at this point it requires nothing less than civilizational collapse, which will come one way or other, to begin to reassert as the natural state.
>the elites inevitably decide to take a bigger piece of the pie? If not due to greed, then due to their elites status being threatened.
The strong will always take their due, this is neither wrong nor immoral, and if someone stronger wins so be it, but those in power are free to attempt to prevent others from taking them out but one way or the other the strong win this has always been and always will be.
The problem with today's state of affairs is that due to retarded ideologies like your own, the weak, corrupt, impious and immoral have risen to the highest positions and constantly seek to lower others to their level, which is why we have things like Affirmative action and moronic ideas like the proletariat and collaboration between races which even some of the most brilliant minds fall into the idiocy of recommending as evidenced by Ted Kaczynski. Both liberalism and communism seeks the same end state, both being born out of Christianity and before it Judaism and ultimately being naught but destructive ideologies both to man and nature, as evidenced to your attitude in the next part of my response.
>You think engineering and surgery is natural? You think having a state with an army and politicians is natural?
Yes, such things are only an expression and evolution of man's nature, as we were given the tools by nature that have enabled us to figure out nature to use it to our advantage, we are never outside it's power nor shall we ever be. We didn't say fuck you to nature at any point prior to shit like christianity and communism infecting the european mind. Most human societies lived in accordance with nature and took their impact to nature into account though the impact was far less damaging than anything that has been done since the late 1800's. The "fuck you nature" attitude arose out of Judaism as jews have always despised the world and nature which is why they tend towards city living, whose natural tendency towards corruption and the ease with which the denizens can be manipulated, naturally as they're full of lemmings, which allows them to infiltrate and thrive and exacerbate the corruption.
>The appeal to nature is pointless, humans thrive despite nature. Go look at an uncontacted tribe if you want to see a human nature.
The appeal to nature is the very point! We, Aryans are natural, nothing any hominid species or subspecies ever does is unnatural, not even the fucking jews, however much they try to escape it! Even your own very anti-natural attitude is in the very fact of it's existence, a natural thing, however disadvantageous it might be to hold, it still arose through nature.
Your second attempt at a point here is retarded, and a foolish insult. I don't need to look at an uncontacted tribe(only one, barring any new discoveries, still exists on earth and they are extremely hostile to outsiders, so much so that many researchers and others have found out, to their detriment) as the differences between them and a White Northwest European are as profound as the difference between the earth and the sun.
>Inspiration is not the same as a theoretical foundation, and additionally the leap into race-centrism is a huge divergence from those Fascist foundations.
Yes it is, Hitler smartly decided that a different ideological centerpoint than MUH STATE MUST ALWAYS COME PRIMARY, was a good idea to have, and the natural thing to put there is you, and everything you are, what your ancestors birthed you, and your forebears to be and your people as your extended kinfolk and no the leap is not far even Gentile expounds upon racial theory. The rest of what you point out is either intentionally misunderstood or willfully ignorant of you to even state, but i will adress what is most pressing.
>This is clearly not what Fascism demands of the state, not just different but far more lax, Fascism will not flail around and function 'any way the denizens of the nation desire', because it has a theoretical foundation.
The word you are looking for is adaptability not laxity, and the point of being so adaptable about the function and structure of the state is that no two people groups have the same desires, the ideology was not for the Germans alone, it was for the Germanic/Nordic/Aryan Race alone. There will be no flailing, there will be strong men choosing to discuss amongst themselves what the state should have at it's disposal and the strongest man deciding what form it will ultimately take.You see, ne of Hitler's great inspirations was The Founding of America, he admired the founders strength of character and Will and even many of their ideas, as they did envision a purely Germanic White nation, and how they fought to make what they desired reality. Unfortunately they missed a few important things, and left open too many vulnerabilities and thus we have fallen to where we are today.
>This is clearly not what Fascism demands of the state, not just different but far more lax, Fascism will not flail around and function 'any way the denizens of the nation desire', because it has a theoretical foundation.
They sought to ape Rome and failed utterly, because THEY ARE NOT ROMANS nor are they anything more than the degenerated and racially impure remains of the plebian class of the roman empire, mixed in the northmost regions with a smattering of Germanic blood from Lombardic invaders. Hitler envisioned a republic founded on the blood of Aryans, he sought a truer to nature European state not just a poor imitation of Rome that couldn't even conquer some fucking niggers.
>This is just utopian idealism, pure and simple. If a state isn't doing its one job, you're not going to be able to simply 'rebel and reform the state'.
When did I ever state that it would be simple to do, I simply stated the duty of any denizen of a National Socialist state, and any such state would welcome such a challenge, as it's duty is not and never should be to 'please it's people, it is to look out for and act in it's peoples best interests, even if it must harm, or punish, it's people to do so! At any rate, how better than through strength of arms to decide how the state should best execute it's duty? To the victor goes the spoils!
>What do you mean by racial purity? Is that the racial homogeneity of a nation (all being the same race)? Because historically, communist movements have been most successful there and weakest in racially-diverse Europe. In fact, driving out European exploitation is a great motivator for nationalist uprising worldwide.
Historically communist never arose in the Racially homogenous European nations aside from Russia, they attempted to, sure and had their shit pushed in and ultimately directly resulted in Hitler coming to power and pushing them out and nearly exterminating them. Unfortunately the entirety of the rest of the world acted against their own interests with Germany's enemies, and unbeknownst to many of them, with their own enemies, against men who were their brethren.
>when what they should have done is given them a black triangle for being asozial. The pigs are breaking the bones of the German denizens they should have cared for, collectively taking the profit siphoned off the labour of the majority of Germans. Instead, they through those who complained about the abuse into the camps with a red triangle.
Not entirely sure what you're referring to, the only people who ended up in the camps were shitskins like gyspys, jews, the genetically inferior and aberrant, and so on, very few German workers ended up there, but perhaps a specific example that isn't an example of a racial enemy of Germany being put there might be helpful. Even if some did end up there most of them were put to work, and paid and treated well, for the betterment of the German nation, that is unless you're an idiot and think the holocaust is real. If those workers interests conflicted with the interests of the German people as a whole, then they deserved the red triangle and to be put in the camps, they put their own prosperity ahead of the interests of their people, that is greed, that is corruption, and it should be punished. it is not and never was the NSDAP's goal, or intended, result to work with exploitative capitalists or communists, and even if they did, most of that was done after the war effort began and only out of pragmatism, and would have been undone had they won the war.
>Capitalism demands business to profit if they are to survive. Otherwise, they go bankrupt.
>Those less efficient are consumed by others.
>Those less exploitative are less efficient.
The very existence of many small American companies who still exist and still thrive even today would not be possible though the increasing economic desperation and soon outright collapse of today's global society has decreased their number, yet hey still exist, yes even racist ones.
>That's why even racist business owners and board members must put on a smile and bow to chink business
\Who the fuck are you kidding? nobody bows to chink business, pretty much every large American company was forced by the government and their retarded fucking trade deals to do business with China, same with more than half of Europe, and a large portion of Asia as well, oddly enough to do nothing more than save a single dollar per unit of whatever they sell, easily done away with if you punish those who produce in china, Trump tried but being too damn old and weak to actually fight for his second electoral victory, they just moved their production to Mexico still under chink control.
Capitalism doesn't demand moral bankruptcy to succeed, it just so happens to be the most expedient path which is why we regulated them out of moral bankruptcy. Henry Ford serves as a prime example of thriving despite not being morally bankrupt, oh he was punished for not being so, but all he had to do was dial it back a bit, and he ultimately won. Unfortunately he had no choice but to serve the US government against his own wishes and his workers best interest, but he fought and acted for their betterment as much as he could right up until he died, and now it no longer belongs to his heirs and is actually run by a jew today, but that's the unfortunate fate fate of pretty much any publically run company.
>Real hourly wages, and also wages as a % of national income, were higher under the hyperinflated Weimar Republic.
As if that is the only measurement of prosperity or happiness, or even a very useful one, newflash you fucking commie, it isn't.
>Busting the trade unions and replacing them with nationalized versions disenfranchises the working people.
No, it disenfranchises commies who agitate workers unjustifiably.
>The state has power, but it also has conflicting interests to the people it supposedly serves, and when push comes to shove and the owning class use their power (provided they're an essential industry and not just a toy factory) then the state is forced to work with the owning class in order to keep running smoothly.
Not in the case of NSDAP Germany, if an essential company decided not to work for what was in the best interests of the people, they were seized and nationalized until a better person could be found to run it, at least that's what the tendency seems to me to indicate what would happen, but we never did get to find out in too many cases.
>If it weren't for that, they would have been crushed like a bug in Operation Barbarossa, the largest military operation in history (which was quelled by the USSR before almost any of that US Lend-Lease even arrived).
The US's lend-lease started going to the Soviet union in September, but it already began to have it's effects on the western front and through Britains efforts, along with US Troops, in both Italy and Africa would be felt beginning in 1942 without this distraction. Russia would have been far outmatched by Germany and Moscow would have been lost long before and they only did so well following because the us handed them enough trucks to delay any German advances past their initial counterattack which only pushed the German advance back 250 kilometers, the logistic value of the US's help was enormous and without that help Russia was fucked and even Stalin admitted that quite readily.
>That's a far cry from a failed German state which already had a large amount of the infrastructure it needed to thrive. Like I said, there's some merit, better than liberalism, but it's apples and oranges compared to the economic rises of the USSR and PRC.
Who the fuck are you kidding? If I recall correctly Germany didn't have even half of the industry it had during WW2 during the Weimar period, the NSDAP may not have had as far to go as Russia but they did a beyond incredible job catching the fuck up and exceeding the Military and industrial power of any other European nation within a very short time, and pretty much starting from 0 on the military, Hitler had 6 years to do it before he was forced to act, Stalin and the Soviets had about 30 pretty much unbothered by outside powers that they didn't bother first.
In any metric what they managed was beyond fucking extraordinary, in comparison the Soviets look like a joke crawling along at a fucking snails pace.
>You just described why neo-Nazism is a term used to distinguish them from orthodox Nazis.
I described how that label is used in error, if they aren't Nazis they can't be NEO-NAZIS. they're reactionaries or fucking nazbols at best.
>Why would all Jews be Zionists?
Because they are, there are orthodox jews who believe exactly what that bullshit anti-zionist article says LIVING IN ISRAEL NOW, they have never opposed the Zionists or their actions in any meaningful way, if they had there might not be an Israel today. Most jews, including orthodox jews, have dual citizenship with Israel no matter where they live, try again to say there are anti-zionist jews, buddy, because there aren't, they're just pretending because it affords them camouflage, and helps stop people from killing them all.
>How does one fund a riot?
You pay the people either before or after or both, they riot, not hard to do, not even complicated to figure out, are you just stupid?
>As for turning around and saying protest is great but shouldn't exist once they start inconveniencing people, that's just liberalism in a nutshell.
There are no real environmentalists left Outside NS circles since Ted and Linkola died and Linkola was far more aligned with me than any fucking worthless environmentalist protestor today, and ted would have been a National Socialist if he had but realized that race does matter but alas that was the one part of the liberal agenda that he could never quite get away from, that the things he wanted were only possible in a world where only White people exist, because nobody else gives a fuck about destroying their environment especially so given what the Chinese are doing today all over the planet.
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