/liberty/ - Austro-Libertarianism

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Does board owner have the ability to enable pdf uploads? It would be nice to post books and papers instead of just telling people to find it themselves.

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>>534
If posts go missing it might be because it had a soyjak meme attached. The zzz admin is blindly deleting all posts with soyjaks attached regardless on content.

Instead of just a board, why not a Libertypol or Freedomchan? It might help organize libertarians better.

If the state is abolished, then does that mean I have to give up all of my belonging that I won at police auctions?

>>663
>If the state is abolished, then does that mean I have to give up all of my belonging that I won at police auctions?
It is the same rules for all stolen property. If the legitimate owner can prove they are the rightful owner then give it back. This does entitle you to extract compensation from the pigs who organized the auction in the first place though
>something something just following orders
is not a valid legal defense in any sane justice system.

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>>434
Get back inside

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Cringe and mostly dead board, might as well contribute I guess.

>>666
Board is dead because zzz mods keep deleting effort posts with no warning or reason.

>>668
Really? I figured the camels simply left for long journey greener pastures after this place dried up since we webring folks are basically forced and used to be nomadic to find like minded discourse or fun shitposts to participate in. Though I suppose mod autism is the reason in particular for it drying up, shame really but oh well I guess.

>>668
>effort posts
What kind of posts? Because if those have soyjaks then I wouldn't consider them "effort".

>>625
>understanding what you believe and why you believe it
People care about culture more than money, more than rows about any novel structure or about any particular means of production.

As far as I'm concerned, so long as you preserve and improve the culture or you make a culture argument instead of one about academic politick, then I don't care what political theory you then try and execute. Let's try socialism and fucking long queues for bread. But keep survival of "we" as a culture.

>not helping family not very trad is it
Just assume if you will that my experience with the health service is first-hand and involves supporting most of my family as they die in that environment. What do you want me to do with conflating it about fighting Akhmed harder? What undertaking do you have in mind for me?

You need religion. Not necessarily *my* religion, but you need aim or pursuit toward shared (not isolationist) moral goals. Which is something you will never admit because "money will fix it" but when it's cheaper to kill a patient then they will kill a patient. Atheists, Satanists, God's Chosen People™, Hann Chinese... any and all except that if you at least had Buddism going for you you'd be fine.

>you want somebody else to do all the work for you
Not only do I want to pay the professional, using yours and everybody else's money, but I want to train the professional and tell him exactly how I want it done as well. Just like a boomer in fact. Except that I want to deport the invaders instead of inviting them all in, and then the condition is do whatever the fuck you want have a libertarian utopia I don't care just get them out.

>forced compulsion on human lives are just like mortgages and insurance

jews.. many of us realized a libertarian society is literally semite paradise to exploit the goyim. Address the JQ and I will reconsider libertarianism.

>>658
a libertarian society will literally destroy the banking system and the credit expansion that they use to make economies fall.

>>658
>jews.. many of us realized a libertarian society is literally semite paradise to exploit the goyim. Address the JQ and I will reconsider libertarianism.
We offer you freedom from tax slavery and the fiat banking system and absolute right to defend your property from anybody with deadly force. If you still get scammed by high interest loans and diamonds and whatever the fuck you think jews do then it's just natural selection at that point.

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>>127 (OP) 
In short we Americans collectively are fucking retarded and to an extent deserve our suffering based on how people vote, 'Oi, surely Red side of the coin/ Blue side of the coin will change things for the better this time eyy?'.

Also decades of corn syrup and hydrogenated seed oils contribute to this retardation and since school cafeterias are more or less unofficially nationalized/corporatitized/hyper regulated by Monsanto/Bayer, Kraft Heinz, and Coke to name a few - as in it's actually illegal to NOT poison kids with mind numbing slop means the trend will continue until all parents and legal guardians pull their kids out of federal schools.
Yes if a school chief decides to pick from their backyard garden and buy quality beef from their local butcher shop and bring that to feed children at school they will be punished and I know it's a corny saying but the phrase 'You are what you eat' is very true.

>>144
r/TheDonald folks on 4Chins being brain dead and easily amused fools is nothing new, yeah sure Orange Man occasionally says something that makes me chuckle to but I know in the end his masters aren't the American people or the Constitutions, oh no - it's AIpac, the Saudi royal family, and the Murdoch's. Just keep reminding them that their President of peace PBUM who shook hands with Kim in Singapore is the same guy 

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just came across this pic and it's kinda funny that dogs would support an ideology that holds they don't have rights... thought the same thing the other day when I saw a pic of a guy attaching an ancap badge to his dog

>>631
>But if they do have rights, then it follows logically that one would be allowed to go to a slaughterhouse and stop the whole thing, stop anyone from buying meat in a supermarket... 
That's not right at all. The NAP is about defending your property or helping somebody who has asked for help. It's not a license to put on a superman cape and start fucking around in other people's affairs.

>Well, Rothbard didn't think animals have rights.
More specifically he said animals can have rights when they ask for them. 

>>632
>>how do we deal with people who torture cats and dogs?
><we don't
All he said was that animals are not covered by the NAP. That means you can't shoot somebody who is abusing a random animal just because it makes you upset or whatever. That's actually the law now to be frank. And it's not like animal charities will just disappear without the state either. The fact that they exist without state subsidies is proof of how much people care about animals to begin with.

>>633
>it's kinda funny that dogs would support an ideology that holds they don't have rights
You understand that dogs don't have the mental capacity to "support" any kind of abstract idea. I'm sure there are commies who put marxist paraphernalia on their pets too. It's the same as putting a bumper sticker on your car.

Not an overt libertarian but what I'd do is I'd have a statist law that says: "You must put an animal ~even your own animal~ down humanely. Then I'd pay third-party insurance to the securior to enforce it. You start killing animals in a Chinese way? Then I'd send in my own firm to come and take the others from you. Don't like it? Take me to court for it.

Best I can do btw still not a lib.

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>>634
>More specifically he said animals can have rights when they ask for them.

>>649
read What Must Be Done

>>650
It's not possible for most people to read a book because an unlimited supply of far more entertaining things like videos and video games are readily available. Your enemies spend trillions of dollars making sure most media has their propaganda injected into it. You can insult people for choosing entertainment over reading a book all day but it's never going to convince them to read the book.

>>652
that's not a good argument for converting to fascism though

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>>643 (OP) 
>Leftist fags have /leftypol/
Leftists don't have jobs or companies to run. Being an unemployed loser living from the labor of others is practically a requirement for being a leftist.

>Do you not organize anywhere?
Organize what? There are groups like nomad network and tom woods elite but people are doing actual business there. They're not a place for losers to post dumb memes and cry about how jews are oppressing you. If all you do want is to post dumb memes and get into policy slapfights with socialists and boomercons and people who actually vote then that's what twitter is for.

>>652
>It's not possible for most people to read a book
Bitch you asked and you got an answer. Don't pivot to "but muh normies are too dumb to read a book". Those are the people we leave behind. Libertarianism is not about saving the normies it's about saving yourself and anybody who wants to come with you. Fuck the normies.

>>653
>that's not a good argument for converting to fascism though
Fascism is just racist socialism and socialism is a scam. You give up all your freedom and power and money to a centralized bureaucracy and then you're shocked pikachu face when the bureaucrats use all that money and power to pursue their own interests instead of giving you universal healthcare.

>>643 (OP)  (OP) 
>Leftist fags have /leftypol/
Leftists don't have jobs or companies to run. Being an unemployed loser living from the labor of others is practically a requirement for being a leftist.

>Do you not organize anywhere?
Organize what? There are groups like nomad network and tom woods elite but people are doing actual business there. They're not a place for losers to post dumb memes and cry about how jews are oppressing you. If all you do want is to post dumb memes and get into policy slapfights with socialists and boomercons and people who actually vote then that's what twitter is for.

>>652
>It's not possible for most people to read a book
Bitch you asked and you got an answer. Don't pivot to "but muh normies are too dumb to read a book". Those are the people we leave behind. Libertarianism is not about saving the normies it's about saving yourself and anybody who wants to come with you. Fuck the normies.

>>653
>that's not a good argument for converting to fascism though
Fascism is just racist socialism and socialism is a scam. You give up all your freedom and power and money to a centralized bureaucracy and then you're shocked pikachu face when the bureaucrats use all that money and power to pursue their own interests instead of giving you universal healthcare.

>>478
>Faschizo's opinion

>>479
So someone steals from me while my back is turned, what happens then?

Am i to be the one in charge of defending my rights, and then only in the momment?

What lf someone had wronged me in the last week, can i never get justice?

Do you just endorse a world of "might nakes right" when the offender is stronger or otherwise advantaged over me in terms of application of force?

I am obviously talking about our punitive/rehabilitative system that deals with criminals. 

Like any laws, We must enforce the NAP otherwise it doesnt matter, and like any laws, their endorsement requires the violation of them agsinst those who violated them.

Explain to me how the NAP is to be enforced, in detail. Maybe im getting your positions wrong here.

>>493
>i don't know anything about anarchy therefor it can never work
Ignorance and lack of imagination are not an argument. Go and read Chaos Theory or Ethics of Liberty or something.

>So someone steals from me while my back is turned, what happens then?
You figure out who did it and get your property back. Using force if necessary. You can also pay somebody to help you. If you were smart you would get insurance first and then the insurance company will pay you what the stolen item was worth and it is now their problem to find the thief and get their money back.

>What lf someone had wronged me in the last week, can i never get justice?
Your property is your property. It doesn't matter when it was stolen. Things get complicated if the stolen property changes hands and then a person who thinks they are the new owner makes changes. But like I said there are entire books written about private law, it's not like nobody has ever thought about this shit.

>Do you just endorse a world of "might nakes right" when the offender is stronger or otherwise advantaged over me in terms of application of force?
Nope.

>I am obviously talking about our punitive/rehabilitative system that deals with criminals.
That's not your business. You have to the right to use reasonable force to protect your property and extract compensation from somebody who has damaged your property. What happens to the criminal after you got your shit back is not your problem.

>>495
>Do you just endorse a world of "might nakes right" when the offender is stronger or otherwise advantaged over me in terms of application of force?
Keep in mind that's the world we live in now. The government does whatever the fuck they want and you just have to bend over and take it. If your best argument against anarchy is that we might end up back where we are now then you've already lost.

>>334 (OP) 
truth

>>636 (OP) 
>What's the libertarian answer to unrestricted internet access for 5 year olds?
It is the parents/guardian's responsibility to raise their own children.

>internet
what's the libertarian answer to people destroying any internet infrastructure that isn't on private property? will everyone have a big tower with a transmitter and receiver in their yard to connect like with HAM radio?

>>619
>That's why leftists ignore banks
Go to a /leftpol/ or reddit and ask them what they think about banks or the fed. They'll say something like get lost lolbert corporations are the only enemy.

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>>624
>corporations are the only enemy.
Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.

What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?

The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.

The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.

>>626
>Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.
They say it was a government project with "scientific" oversight therefor shutup and take your boosters nazi.

>>628
>What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?
https://medium.com/@Kallman/a-21st-century-introduction-to-agorism-5dc69b54d79f

>>637 (OP) 
I approve this soyjak because it's making fun of commies.

Not going to effort post a response because the op has a soyjak so the whole thread will probably get deleted by some retarded crybaby zzz mod.

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>>350
veganism (not necessarily vegetarianism) also has this problem to deal with... by plowing the field, a vegan is basically denying the existence of some smaller animals like bugs (ignoring other non-animal living beings as well). How to solve this contradiction?

>>350
>I don't see why being able to argue or reason is relevant to determine rights.
It's the only secular explanation for why humans are special. Even the smartest gorillas that can be trained to use sign language are still utterly incapable of asking questions or engaging in any other kind of abstract thought.

>>360
The reason for these frameworks, however primitive they were for the times they were in, established in trial after bloody trial what the correct and "best for you" way to live was along with the rationale for why it is so, Christ being necessary after all.

What I'd given you there was some of that rationale. You will know whether that rationale is valid or not, independent of one's theology for that matter, if you test it against alternate ideas and alternate theories or rationale and see which ones function as they are supposed to.

With mine and in what I gave you, it logically follows. Whereas the "animals should have personhood status ~ they are equivalent/have as much rights as man" argument made by modern law or modern lefty liberals will not logically and consistently "follow" when a lion mauls their offspring and their response is not "I'm glad that lions have the right to be lions".

>>360
Also props to the Blood Brothers - Papa Roach

>>361
It is true that smaller animals and other living beings die during crop production, but by far the vast majority of crop is fed to livestock. Only a smaller portion is directed towards human consumption. So, almost paradoxically, being on a vegan / plant-based diet leads to way fewer deaths of not only bugs, mice, and other small animals, but also plants as well.