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It's a conspiracy >>>/hikki/
Valve's announced their new portable console. It looks like a switch and has gyro support, but it has a console-style AMD APU, a 16:10 aspect ratio screen for some reason, and runs fucking Arch Linux of all things. They advertise it'll be able to run AAA games through Proton.
How shit will this be? Why is there sneedposting on the website? Will Valve even support this for long?
>that joystick and button placement
What the fuck.
Didn't Valve do something like this before? It flopped so hard that I don't even remember its name, but it was the same "linux box as console" shtick.
Valve and hardware are a match made in hell
Those were Steam Machines. Those were underpowered trash made by third party manufacturers and ran a Debian-based version of SteamOS. That was back before Valve even had Proton too, so Windows games just flat out did not work on them unless you installed Steam through a Wine prefix.
>speeds and feeds
How many cuckchanners work at valve? Pretty clever though I'll give them that.
>>that joystick and button placement
It's similar to the Wii U gamepad, which was actually a very comfortable controller.
This looks as useful as a unrooted smartphone, therefore not useful at all. At least on the GPD Win you can install anything you want.
I guess Valve finally realized the superiority of rolling release packages for playing vidya. Can't wait for pic related to happen someday, though.
can i play madness accelerant and the upcoming madness project nexus 2 on this? answer y/n
The wii u's dpad and face buttons were bellow the joysticks though.
iirc the website says you can boot the thing into a regular desktop if you want (the specs page indicates ithe desktop environment is KDE), so I imagine you can put whatever you want on this crap. It could be nice as a portable emulator machine, provided the build quality and battery life are alright.
Here's a thought: the Steam Deck advertises itself as being able to run AAA games, but its default storage size is only 64GB. Granted, it does go up to 512GB, but AAA games are getting notoriously fat these days. This'll probably have more use as something for playing indieshit and older games. They really should have considered adding a 120Hz or 144Hz screen.
>can i play madness accelerant and the upcoming madness project nexus 2 on this? answer y/n
Only if Proton will be able to run it.
>iirc the website says you can boot the thing into a regular desktop if you want (the specs page indicates ithe desktop environment is KDE), so I imagine you can put whatever you want on this crap.
If that's true, then that's pretty neat.
>and runs fucking Arch Linux of all things
Keke, you seem upset OP. What would you suggest they run then, Wangblows 11?
The Steam Controller actually wasn't terrible, but it suffered from being shackled to Steam and having exactly zero video games on the entire planet suited to use the touchpads. Much like this piece of shit, which is the guts of a Steam Controller glued to the sides of an ASRock 4x4 and an LCD. I expect it to flop just as hard.
It's not the worst idea, shit, Chromebooks are Gentoo-based. I was mostly surprised they moved SteamOS away from Debian.
Reminder that Windows 11 is so dogshit that the entire UI runs inside a web browser. Microsoft also told some random dude complaining about the terminal's godawful performance that making it faster was a PhD-level project, so the dude shat out a Windows terminal renderer that's orders of magnitude faster within several days. Dude caused an absolute fuckton of Microsoft pajeetcoder salt. I think it's still ongoing, and it's only going to get worse because he hasn't optimized his terminal renderer yet.
What's the point of a console with no exclusives?
Don't forget that everyone was bitching that his terminal was inferior because it had too much memory and GPU use, so he did a few lines of optimization and now it uses way less resources than the windows terminal.
It's a fun ride, I can't wait for the next ms excuses.
It doesn't look comfortable to hold, why the fuck they placed the buttons and analogs so high?
The squares under the analogs are supposed to be trackpads,I would assume they want those to be the primary input method.
Guess they just really wanted to keep that part of the steam controller?
because it make sense? the only thing truly bad is the rather high profile thumbsticks, otherwise it is the typical mediocre standard portable console / bing bing wahoo controller stuff
i'm assuming the trackpads is sort of a fallback to deal with games that requires a mouse
All desktop games are exclusive to it in handheld form. What else will you use to play Factorio while taking a shit?
>he did a few lines of optimization
It wasn't even an optimization, it was just changing a number that determined how much memory to reserve, and adding a line of code that stops it from rendering at infinite framerate (which happened just to demonstrate the speed in the first place).
>Here's a thought: the Steam Deck advertises itself as being able to run AAA games, but its default storage size is only 64GB. Granted, it does go up to 512GB, but AAA games are getting notoriously fat these days.
Disclaimer text says it has a slot for SD cards so maybe that's their plan.
>What else will you use to play Factorio while taking a shit?
Do you have notebook?
It also has gyros and I've heard gyro controls are decent for FPSes.
I've never ran games off an SD card before, but I'm not sure they're exactly fast enough for modern AAA shit.
Yes I use it to plan my factory when the power goes out.
Call me a shill but it looks alright. It seems like piracy and stuff will be very easy to do and has upgradable storage through sd cards. Plus if it flops hopefully it won't be hard to find one cheap.
I gotta wonder how long did it take them to show this instead of arriving at E3 was nothing other than steam updates. Maybe they had other stuff on mind at that point but come on atleast give us some hints.
>PC mods will be available
Didn't even consider that. So you'll be able to play modded Terraria or whatever, unlike in the handheld versions.
>It also has gyros
It all depends on how locked-down it is. The kikes have added a lot of "features" to Linux to support restricting what the hardware owner can do with a Linux-based system, and since Volvo will almost certainly be rolling their own repositories they get to use all of them. If the bootloader is hardcoded to only boot vendor-signed kernels and you can't get a shell to remove Steam from the boot process this thing will be a fucking paperweight. On the other hand Steam Link let you get a root shell and build your own apps (around the proprietary Steam Link UI) relatively easily, so who knows what the end product is going to look like.
try again, amerilard
>all these people who thing having a perpendicular thumb to hand is somehow comfortable
If you thumb extends below your palm you are literally an ape.
>anything special at all
go be fat somewhere else, you greek greaseball
If your hand is stationary (such as when gripping a controller) then your thumb moves in an arc. It's not going to be comfortable to move your right thumb directly to the left to that analog stick, it's going to want to move further down.
it will fail. volvo sucks at hardware, steam machine/controller/link/index should have made this clear. you cannot bring the mouse and keyboard experience to a handheld, trackpads will never emulate the feeling. any bingbingwahoos that are optimized for controllers are most likely on the switch already, which will be far cheaper and easier for normalnigs to get, because normalnigs cannot into PC or anything to do with it normalnigs referring to actual normal, sane people, nor the tranny twitter crowd that has been shitting up vidya for years. depending on how hard it is to get out of the steam playpen on it, it would probably be easier to hack a switch and put emulators on it that it is for this thing because nobody wants to mess with whatever bastardized version of arch they're running.
also reminder that unless the fat kike himself ordered this, because of their company structure a bunch of employees got on this and collectively decided "this is a good idea". valve can get away with it failing however because they have "fuck you" amounts of money and no shareholders to bend over to.
volvo has always been for open sores so I don't think they'll lock it down like a bunch of hyperprotective jews. they're selling hardware, not software. even jewgle lets you install other OSs on chromebooks after jumping through a dozen hoops, as dogshit as they are spec-wise
>doesn't even have detachable controllers so someone can make custom ones that fix the retarded control layout
What's the point of trying to compete with the switch if you're not even going to offer one of its best selling points?
>Making a button layout that wasn't shit to begin with.
I think people would be slightly more agreeable to the concept if Valve didn't pull a Google and not support any of its hardware items. Now would be a perfect time to be selling those steam controllers but nope. Also wonder why they chose now, at the start of new consoles and new gpus to boot, to sell an item when most are too busy upgrading their setups.
From the interviews it seems like some guys did this without most of the company knowing.
Are you double jointed or do you have thumbs that actually extend below the palm? Because none of this makes sense from a standard bio mechanical point of view.
What a waste of electronics and plastic.
Just plug in your favorite controller dawg
>I've never ran games off an SD card before, but I'm not sure they're exactly fast enough for modern AAA shit.
That depends on the class of card and the quality of the port Valve have put in, if you're talking purely about reading non-fragmented/large but few in number files they'll do fine. Writing files or reading a ton of fragmented files is where they tend to fall down, the former is of limited concern for vidya unless it's a super cheap card unless you're getting constant giant patches I guess but the latter will increase load times and might degrade performance if the game is designed to constantly stream new content into memory. My thinking though was that maybe they'll sell Valve-branded high-end SD cards as a money maker or maybe even partner up with some publishers who'll churn out a card with a bunch of their games Steam version, of course already on there and CD-keys in the case at a discount vs the games + card normally. Just like how consoles bundle games in.
>because normalnigs cannot into PC or anything to do with it
For normalfags Steam and other walled-garden one-click-install platforms 'are' PC gaming. They were raised to expect nothing better mostly by the 7th gen and late original Xbox 6th gen multiplayer experience and made the hop in the last decade or so. Mobiles and their retard-friendly app store are also part of this puzzle. This is the same reason Discord took off.
>Also wonder why they chose now, at the start of new consoles and new gpus to boot, to sell an item when most are too busy upgrading their setups.
Perhaps it was planned for a year ago and they realised chink flu made portable vidya a hard sell if nobody was going outside anyway.
>watching a video interview with Valve employees on Youtube
>they claim the RDNA2 chip supports raytracing
There's no way that shit will run well, but if it does I will be impressed. The dev recommendations are pretty decent too.
I don't know where you are getting this "below the palm" thing from. Here's the range of motion of your thumb, and why the button layout on this thing is retarded.
>official advice to support offline mode
Interesting, though the cynic in me says this is just Valve wanting to prevent anyone else's service from gaining a foothold.
I can only assume it's the hip new cuckchan troll, like telling your son you shouldn't be ashamed if your penis is "only" 8 inches.
>his penis isn't at least 8 inches
What the fuck does Steam Deck even mean as a name? Who named it, and why isn't he fired?
What will the console-tan be?
When I heard the name "Steam Deck" I assumed it was either streamer shit (other products aimed at streamer shills have had similar names) or some kind of eGPU/SSD abomination to go with the upcoming ChromeOS port of Steam.
This photo is in the ad webpage.
what the HECK, fuck you!
>you can't upgrade the internal SSD card
Dead on the fucking water.
It's a cool ps1 gaem.
didn't the controller fail, because the idiots only made it to work for the Steam program?
Sorry but after Floyd died and the buck breaking and the 3 nogs that lost the soccer game, Blacks have officially lost BBC status. and BBC will now stand for Buck Breaking Cock or Big Beaner Cock.
>the 3 nogs that lost the soccer game
What? Can you please explain? This news has completely gone over my head.
Bongland barely lost to Italy in the divegrass yuro finals because their three niggers all missed while their whites both scored during penalty kicks.
Some gay euro soccer thing happened England was bragging about their three nigger players, saying that diversity was their strength, and during three separate penalty kicks all three of them missed their goals and lost them the game.
England, not bongland. It's particularly relevant in this case given all of the nations field their own teams and this time around Scotland was one of the ~3 teams England played to actually provide something resembling a challenge before the final.
Well Valve's who reason for being so good to Linux recently is because they don't want Microsoft to have a monopoly on PC gaming.
>We recommend targeting Vulkan
Now I hope they actually succeed just so I can play the newest kusoges on wang7 and gaano/lonux.
Bongland is England you muppet
>Valve recommending game developers to finally stop using .NET / WPF, Media Foundation, Kernel-space anti-cheats, and Anti-tamper / DRM.
That's some great news, but I bet that a lot of game developers most likely won't listen anyway.
>you can't upgrade the internal SSD card
Vita 2.0 incoming. Actually, the situation with the Steam Deck might be even worse, since Vita at least allowed you to swap the memory cards and even use adapters that make SD cards work with hombrew.
Bongland refers to the UK as a whole, not the "nations" (more like cucknadian provinces at this point) that make it up. I'm an american and I know this.
Looking into the Gabe Gear™ it looks interesting, not to mention that if it's successful that means more stuff like this and that could lead to something like hardware customization, but that's a pretty big if. Overall we're just gonna have to wait and see I guess.
>Bongland is England you muppet
Not in any useage I've ever seen. I'll grant that confusing England and Britain/the UK is a common mistake anyway but in the context of a tournament where Scotland and England literally played one another it's silly to not be precise.
The term literally originates from the old ">go to England" pastas you irredeemable newfags. If anything the term "britbonger" is incorrect. Only a burger would confuse the UK and England for the same thing.
I can't be bothered finding the original caps if I even still have them so here is a random one from a search engine.
The "bong" in "bongland" refers to Big Ben, an English monument, you gigantic retards. It has nothing to do with the other nations of the UK. Maybe stop assuming everyone using the term is referring to more than just the English, because the term literally only exists to make fun of them and only them.
/v/ - Etymologists
Except that that pasta was simply an evolution of earlier shit like picrelated which often confused England and Britain because burgers can't get their terminology straight. And yes, these are also from a lazy search because I've never bothered archiving anything other than /tg/ OC.
Gentoo or Void would be better alternatives to Arch, they can even go for the musl flavor to reduce bloat.
An eccentric host with zombie guests, what a bore.
>which often confused England and Britain
So? The intent was clearly to make fun of England, not Britain as a whole, and trying to say that bongland refers to Britain, just because a few idiots couldn't get some names straight, is just retarded.
>Gentoo or Void would be better alternatives to Arch, they can even go for the musl flavor to reduce bloat.
Given the unironic sneed meme on the product page, they must be focusing on (You) farming on /g/ rather than a practical software environment. Or piggybacking on archfag workarounds to get Steam running was less effort than actually fixing Steam to run on something other than Jewbuntu.
Why would they go with either a distro that, in their application would turn into a binary based distro with extra steps or one that has had trouble with their ownership?
It costs you 5 bucks to pre-order
>non-removable nVME so you have to do a full upgrade
volvo taking a page from apple's playbook i see
>volvo sucks at hardware, steam machine/controller/link/index should have made this clear.
The Steam controller is at least interesting, and useable in games where a normal controller would be awful. The Index is genuinely good and still the best consumer VR system. I'm still not convinced the deck will be particularly good, but Valve's track record with hardware isn't bad.
What did you expect? Fully upgradable parts? Come the fuck on, anon. You can't even do that with the switch. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
I mean, I don't mean to white knight for valve, but it makes sense. If people can spam pre-orders with no intention of actually buying it, it's going to mess with their estimates of how many of them they need to produce. There's currently a shortage on computer chips or something so it's probably tricky to organize production.
Nothing says it's non-removable, but nothing says it's removable either. It would be such an easy win to just use an M.2 slot and let power users exchange it themselves that I expect Valve to drop the ball and solder it on, despite M.2 sockets having fuck all for z-height and shitty M.2 drives being commodity hardware.
There a video interview on Youtube where they claim the storage is non-upgradeable because that'd take more space or something. Not sure I buy it, but I also can't think of a handheld with upgradeable internal storage that isn't just a memory card or something.
It could be true (sometimes millimeters count or PCB routing makes a socket impractical compared to putting the components directly on the board) but without a teardown we won't know whether to mock them for shit PCB design or mock them for pulling an Apple.
>non-upgradeable because that'd take more space
Thats bullshit, M.2 barely has any z-height like >>66550 says.
You could even put the connector in a cutout on the motherboard for zero extra z-height. Even better, make this cutout accessible through a side port with a single screw for easy replacement. Would make it almost as easy as replacing a memory card.
>I also can't think of a handheld with upgradeable internal storage that isn't just a memory card or something
NVMe SSDs aren't much bigger than a memory card.
>thinking the average normalnigger valve is appealing to knows anything about motherboards let alone replacing parts connected to them
normal niggers watch linus tech tips, it makes them feel smart knowing consumer circuit board lego.
valve has always appealed to the demographic of peak dunning-cruger tech-spec goyim that will buy anything if it has greater numbers than another product.
>linus tech tips
there are few people i can't stand less than him
If you have the questionable pleasure of watching his viewer builds or whatever you'll see that watching some e-celeb has no bearing on them knowing anything about PCBs or that they can do the smallest mods.
These faggot marketers do a really bang-up job getting shiteating pipsqueaks to buy their overpriced, marked-up hardware just to play games that will never really push said hardware to its limits. How many of them are just going to play Fortnite or Rocket League or CS:GO or that shitty CS:GO clone anyways? And they don't look like the types who will be rendering shit on their computers, hence the need for bulky graphics cards and processors. Nah they just want the shiny RGB water cooling to show off to other faggots on r/battlestations
What are those kids so enraptured by? I can't even tell what that is.
A laptop, or a graphics card probably.
>getting a phone case signed that you'll probably throw away with your next phone of the month
Just consumer and throw out, fucking dumb shit little kids are just are dumb as boomers.
LINUS RACEMIXING TIPS
>normal niggers watch linus tech tips
WE WUZ BRITISH N'SHIT NIGGUH
I truly hope the brits calling them niggers like they deserve will manage to stay safe from their government's distopian laws
It's sportsball, the one thing brits care about, so I doubt the government will do anything other than empty media statements.
>LINUS RACEMIXING TIPS
>there are few people i can't stand less than him
I hate all these e-attention whores who make those stupid videos with retarded thumbnail with their ugly face doing a retarded exaggerated expression.
By the way, is this faggot jewish?
It wouldn't surprise me at all.
I just bothered to look this up. This is a genuine tweet. Linus cuck tips confirmed!
We don't want him there.
I'd be excited but a) I have no money and b) I don't understand why retards want to play PC games on a handheld. At the least I'm hoping this lights a fire under Nintendo's ass to actually do something worthwhile with the Switch instead of "here's some shitty old S/NES games and some half-assed first-party game for $60 pls enjoy :^)"
I have trouble relating to why people feel compelled to play games on the go to begin with. The only time I really played games on a portable system because I needed portability was in the car when other people were driving me on long (like, between two and twelve hours) car rides. I mean, I understand intellectually that sometimes people play on public transportation or while waiting between classes or when they should be working or whatever, but I've never been able to enjoy gaming in stretches of less than several hours at a time. I guess I'm just outside of the target market for a portable systems as portable systems. Don't get me wrong: I had and played games on those systems, but that was because in those days those games were only on those systems--the meme use of "exclusive" hadn't been conceptualized yet, even though exclusive games were a thing.
>I don't understand why retards want to play PC games on a handheld.
You would be right if playing on a controller wasn't so widespread and there was more emphasis on KB+M. If some guy mostly plays indie shit and emulators, then it's the perfect use case for him instead of buying a GPU for a higher price than the 512GB model,
>I understand intellectually that sometimes people play on public transportation or while waiting between classes or when they should be working or whatever
Yes, and it's also way harder to find donor organs because you have weird mixed genes.
You impotent, leftist, shill! One day you will feel my wrath. You will learn that the jews always lose and we always win! Am I doing it right?
Seriously though, I think it’s alright too. I know a lot of Linux and portable Chinese gaming handheld fags are hoping it takes off. We'll just have to wait and see.
>Tfw can't wife a hardworking, dark-skinned tomboy qt for risk of messing up the children
>monstergirls will never become real and kill all niggers
>tfw you will never have two sons with one and watch them fight for fun
Don't say never. It'll happen to you. (And if it doesn't happen you can always suicide-bomb something expensive and contribute to humanity that way.)
Maybe the reason why we were born on this gay Earth is because we treated our souls badly in our previous lives. Treat your soul goodly and you'll be born in your own wanted heaven.
No we were definitely born here just to suffer.
That's my only hope
I'll try and be more positive. One day I'll have lich wife.
Might be right.
That manga is fairly comfy, haven't read it in awhile
I thought a lich was more of an ability thing not a monster thing
A lich is something you transform into and is a type of undead of which there are several variants like warliches, demiliches, and failed liches.
To me a lich is a necromancer who has created a phylactery
You see, I want a lich gf so we can have a family filled with necromancers that will one day overthrow the government with an undead Army.
A necromancer who has created a phylactery is a necromancer. A Lich is the aforementioned necromancer once he has re-spawned at least one time. At which point he is undead instead of merely destined for undeath.
Liches are dead, and the dead cannot procreate. Unless you meant "students" or "really close companions" when you meant family, you'll get no family with a lich.
It will be comfy is the father comes back
>it's already getting scalped
Why did I expect anything else?
Wait, does this have no docking capability or even video out? Fuck having hardware like this if you can't repurpose it. KDE is also garbage.
Oh, so the dock is up in the air and a separate charge as of yet. Pfft.
It doesn't even have a cradle like the switch dock, it's just a normal USB-C port multiplier.
Why would you want a dock though?
You're supposed to already have a desktop
Their "Official Dock" labeling there leads me to believe they want other companies to build meme docks, sort of like how the Steam eMachines were a random mess.
It's PC hardware, I'd want to use it as a PC.
Why would you buy this instead of a DeskMini/BOX/4x4? Don't say Van Gogh because Raven Ridge/Raven2 is just fine for desktop use cases.
When I say PC hardware, I mean it's basic PC architecture and not ARM or something else.
I'm not going to buy this, what is your brain malfunction? I can always use another chunk of computer for sole tasks like video transcoding, 3D rendering, or other batch tasks, even another random server.
It was a rhetorical question, you ape.
>Liches are dead, and the dead cannot procreate. Unless you meant "students" or "really close companions" when you meant family, you'll get no family with a lich.
Technically you could have kids before they turned into a lich no? Something like that mafia bloodline from VTM would be practical enough over a bunch of generations.
Resident mutt here. Outside of some allergies, I don’t really have any illnesses or risks of the sort. If anything, I would imagine it to reduce risk since ensuring racial purity also means preserving existing genetic illness. Then again, I’m a one in a million Übermensch and outclass both mutts and purefags alike.
And just before people ask... Anglo mom, black/white dad with enough Ameri-Indian to own a casino. So a standard African-American since African-Americans are really just mutts but no one wants to talk about that. I get told I look Mediterranean.
Genetic illness within a race is only a problem if the alleles line up poorly and cause all copies of a protien/group of proteins to be defective, which is less likely than jamming two different haplogroups together and expecting their enzymatic quirks to not clash somehow. The loss of phenotypic cohesion (beauty) and social identity (resistance to malicious foreign influence) are also major reasons to hate racemixing beyond illness.
I can already picture it...
I imagine it does. I've never spoken about my race on zzzchan /v/ before and honestly this thread seems really out of place for that but I have noticed I have more dark brown freckles on body and more of them seem to pop up every year. They mostly appear on my face and chest. I would say more about myself as there are a few more anomalies related to my freckles but it would violate OPSEC so I'll stay quite about it. Another thing I have that has effected me quite negatively is my fucked up teeth. They formed in a really strange way and while I don't have SHEEEEEEEIT tier teeth they're still not normal looking. On the bright side, my wisdom teeth actually grew in and became useful as I had to have my back molars removed.
That's an interesting combination. My own lineage is White father, Mexican mother. My mother has quite light skin so I can sometimes pass for white if it wasn't for my hair. I probably could if I dyed my hair blonde or light brown and use some skin whiting cream. Maybe my IQ might even increase and I'll get a degree from a prestigious college and build space ships?
If anon looks like that he probably has contact with extra-dimensional beings
>White father, Mexican mother.
Not a bad combo honestly, Spics are half European and half ameridian after all.
I'd imagine it's not a bad combination, at least I hope it isn't because I'm likely marrying one and I'd hope the children will be okay.
Mexicans are the original mutts. There might still be some with enough Spainish blood to be considered white (or "white" considering the Turks raped the shit out of Spain 800 or so years ago) but they're probably too busy running drug cartels to emigrate to the US. I hope you're one of the lucky ones and your kids don't get fucked by genetic roulette too badly.
That's kind of strange the way you described it. I'm pretty sure everyone has random dark moles all over there body, or most people at least. Freckles are something else but that doesn't mean you have cancer or anything.
>fucked up teeth
I think most of the fuck ups we have with teeth are due to the modern diet, or at least the modern western diet. It's not good for teeth. Teeth crowding make it worse by adding new nooks and crannies for bacteria to grow in. There is this idea that crowding seems to be caused by eating too soft of a diet when you're a child because it doesn't allow your jaw to develop. I also read something about the muscles required for a baby to suck a tit are different than drinking from a bottle.
Its a chance game, they're so mixed together these days that there's no telling what'll come out. Generally, the more "white" they look the better off you'll be. Hell, I've seen some mexicans that could pass as amerindian and those would probably be okay too, but the ones that look mongrelized to hell, ugly and dumb, stay far, far away from.
What? No. Why would it?
>Doesn't racemixing give higher chance to genetic illnesses?
I'd say that is the last of the problems when you are creating some mongrel abominations.
Can't wait for people to shove their Steam Deck into the Switch stand and then complain about there not being a clearer warning.
>wanted to get the thread back on track
>get full house dubs instead
why must I always win?
found some more retarded promotional material
>I don't understand why retards want to play PC games on a handheld
Switch emulation and VNs.
That's a pretty good point, even emulation in general would be easier since it's supposed to be a mini computer instead of having its own OS and requiring new emulators.
Not with that attitude.
Night of the Rape soon, fellow Stalker.
Is that Brian Pepper's relative?
dude nioh and yakuza while on the shitter
think about it
>600 USD for a lifetime repairable device
Or you could buy 600 dollars worth of anything else.
Like a rifle.
Or a pistol.
Or a shotgun.
Or a bugout kit.
Or shelf stable food.
Or a good pet and enough food to last for 10 years.
Yeah, I was going to mention this. Hunting season for anons in the northern hemisphere is right around the corner. If anon wants to get into hunting, he could buy a hunting rifle and scope for about $500, buy some ammo and then go pursue that activity. More importantly, if anon is success in his hunt, he'll take a deer or whatever animal he's hunting and he can save money buy not having to buy food.
I also believe you could build a better PC with $600 than what the Steam Deck is offering. I will admit the idea of a portable PC sounds cool but there's already something for that on the market and it's called a laptop. There do exist gaming laptops, probably ones better than the Deck. I believe the concept of the Deck is cool, blending a portable console, home console, and a PC into one sounds like a good idea. However, I just don't see this being useful, even if it is a good idea. Especially when the dock is sold separately.
excellent taste in cuckime artists
>I also believe you could build a better PC with $600 than what the Steam Deck is offering
I very much doubt it. I don't really know how the steam deck specs compare to desktop parts, but even if you ignore the built in controller and screen as parts of the price (easily >100 by themselves), with the cost of PC components these days I doubt you can build even a budget desktop for 600. The general wisdom right now is to buy prebuilt because it's cheaper than buying individual parts.
Ain't monstergirls are for monsterboys, you racemixing faggot?
i thought the dock would be something similar to a egpu setup, i guess it's just going be that huh
Who called the ESL squad?
>ass detonated immediately into projection.
>or "white" considering the Turks raped the shit out of Spain 800 or so years ago
Moors and Turks are different things. One group is from North Africa and the other from Central Asia.
>>>66926, haha not me!
>repeats "cuckold" over and over
Fuck off, clown. There are better sites for you.
>I get told I look Mediterranean.
Sure you do :^)
I think that was part of his point, anon.
>but even if you ignore the built in controller and screen as parts of the price
You can and you should, people that are going for the $600 shekels PC already have a K&M and TV
>with the cost of PC components these days I doubt you can build even a budget desktop for 600
The only thing that is impossible to get are the GPUs, you could always buy a CPU with graphics in it.
>The general wisdom right now is to buy prebuilt because it's cheaper than buying individual parts.
You know it is cheaper because the parts are shit, right?
Is USB C really enough bandwidth for all that? I mean basically you are expecting the USB to carry everything that would normally use an HDMI (possibly HDMI and DisplayPort), up to 3 other USBs, and Ethernet. I guess the bandwidth on USB has probably increased a ton since HDMI was created, but once upon a time you'd never even think of running a display solely on a USB signal.
>You can and you should, people that are going for the $600 shekels PC already have a K&M and TV
It's entirely unfair to discount the cost of another item simply because you already have one. We're looking at the price of the steamdeck relative to what it offers, not relative only to what new it offers. Besides, there's a reason I own half a dozen screens and half that many controllers, they are not one-and-done items. Also a keyboard and mouse is not a controller.
>You know it is cheaper because the parts are shit, right?
In this case, it's cheaper because there's basically no retail markup. I don't know if they are selling at a loss or not, but steam stands to profit from additional game sales from multiple vectors (new customers, increased customer loyalty, and more games to sell to those customers), so they don't need to profit directly on the hardware. Manufacturers also take a smaller cut, which together leads to what I'd estimate as an around 30% price cut vs retail, more if it's sold at a loss rather than break-even.
If the chipset supports it at each end and you have the magic good goy cables, you can get up to 40Gbps out of a 1 meter USB-C cable, and like 65W of power too.
Valve updated the specs.
Yeah, I've been working with pic related for the past two years, and it just twerks. 4 USB slots, 2 DP slots, HDMI, Ethernet and 3,5 mm audio jack slots. The only thing that doesn't always work is the audio jack, but everything else functions just fine. I can hardly believe it myself.
>I don't know if they are selling at a loss or not
I don't think so, consoles sell at a loss, because that would mean that they are hoping that exclusives and monthly payments are the things that are going to bring in the shekels. Why would Steam of all people sell at a loss? The only thing I could think of is that they want to get into the mobile console market.
>Also a keyboard and mouse is not a controller.
The K&M is the best controller for PC.
>not intended for end-user replacement
Is this one of those "voids the warranty" things? I can see it being a feature only because it saves money on the assembly line with different storage options, but they could have at least pretended they weren't going to get butthurt over someone opening it up and changing parts.
Fun fact, those "removing this sticker voids warranty" stickers are both false and illegal in burgerland. Under US law the manufacturer has to prove that whatever you did was the direct cause of the failure that would otherwise fall under warranty.
You can daisy chain like three DP monitors off a single DP port.
You could even go on a deep sea charter fishing trip for $600.
Or you could get a cheap set of tackle and go fishing for an entire season and spend less money.
>40Gbps out of a 1 meter USB-C cable
It says USB 3.2 Gen 2, which would be half of that if its x2 or a quarter if not.
I'm gonna be honest but I get a good vibe from Valve. I wouldn't expect another vidya megacorp to have a laid-back interview like this with upfront answers. I also wouldn't expect any of the typical "hype men" PR people the others send out there to say things like "assuming customers agree that this is a good product" and letting competitors just basically copy their setup and let them sell their own products.
I'm not going to buy this because I don't go out so there's no point for me, but it could have its uses.
Yeah I've always wondered about that. Most agreements are basically just scare tactics. Imagine if there was an agreement to enslave yourself? It sounds like a stupid question because it's obviously unenforceable, but many agreements ask you to agree to things/give up rights that are protected under law. People are ignorant, lazy, and afraid, especially since a layman will need to pay a lawyer even if he's right, and may just run out of money while the company finds ways to prolong discussions.
>I'm gonna be honest but I get a good vibe from Valve.
They will keep giving good vibes until they finally make monopoly out of playing vidya on GNU/Linux. Until then, there's no reason for them show their true colors.
Even so they'd never be able to exploit such a monopoly which they sort of achieved with Proton already by sticking to the GPL, riddling Linux distros with Steam spyware should be profitable enough as is.
D-don't tell me that's the actual 4D chess strategy behind the STD?
Creating a Linux distro running on standardized hardware with custom backdoors marketed to a low IQ "control" audience that is unlikely to leave the mobile UI walled garden along with a smaller "hardcore" audience who are expected to perform illegal activities outside the normal spectrum using the device but this time its distro is an actual GNU/Linux distro instead of some chimeric atrocity like Android?
I'm just learning about the Steam Deck, but has anyone confirmed or seen a claim that it can run most games 60fps?
>inb4 anon it's a console
I know I just enjoying seeing sweet little lies.
That is a Mediterreanean man, specifically Sicilian.
They don't need to make any custom back doors, since it's running a modern AMD CPU. Steam is enough for them, since it's proprietary, full of security holes, spyware. Most of the people that they're trying to appeal to of course don't seem to mind this fact at all, because they choose GNU/Linux solely because of something they call "community". The only thing they actually want is to consume it. But they're not interested in the mind behind free software, technology, or anything like that. All they want is to form an echo chamber, and to be a part of it.
Do you remember around two decades ago when google seemed to most people to be really upstanding people with an interest in making tech better? Once they get big enough their true colors show. Or, if through some miracle, they aren't malicious and/or incompetent, getting too big means that they will be corrupted or replaced. I'd never trust a tech company.
I have seen the claim, but it never goes beyond how it does it. The screen is only 1280x800 so it doesn't have to try to be a 4k gaming monster much less 1080p, so I can see it being possible for a lot of games.
>by the way, is this faggot jewish?
Prebuilts are only cheaper if you're paying scalper prices for the GPU. If you can pay MSRP (if you have a Micro Center near you, or you run a bot, or you win one of the few Jewegg shuffles that doesn't bundle expensive garbage with the card) building your own is still cheaper. Plus, you're not risking the manufacturer skimping on things like the PSU.
Is now the same as what the scalpers were charging a few months ago. That's what they found out the goyim will pay, so that's the new going rate until they start piling up in the warehouse because all the goyim already have one.
that's really reaching if you consider that a jewish nose
>Is now the same as what the scalpers were charging a few months ago.
>Sapphire Nitro+ AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT is the lowest tier for the AMD 6000 series
>newegg is selling it at $939.99 wtih $3.99 Shipping
>At that price it cost the same as the Stock AMD 6900 XT at MSRP
With the chinks banning crypto and crypto miners stealing electricity, I hope the bad rap of crypto keeps pilling up until it collapses.
>Is now the same as what the scalpers were charging a few months ago.
MSRP for both the AMD and Nvidia reference cards has not changed (though they're hard to get) and EVGA's prices have gone up only a little. Those models (with the exception of the 3070 Ti/3080 Ti and arguably the 6900 XT) are merely below average deals by the standard of a normal market, rather than stupendously bad deals like everything else.
You don't want that, the EU is already talking about government-run goycoins where the jews can literally erase your money if they don't like what you're doing with it, and automatically adjust your taxes based on social credit score. What you want is for heavily abused coins to move off of GPU-based mining, which the primary driver of GPU demand (ethereum) is supposedly doing this year.
Valve boss confirms the Steam Deck SSD is upgradable
>it appears that Valve's Gabe Newell replied to one user to confirm that the Steam Deck SSD storage comes courtesy of a standard M.2 2230 slot.
>Moving onto another popular question among the thrifty – Can you upgrade the $399 eMMC 64GB version with an SSD? Again, Gabe Newell replied to a Reddit user with a simple confirmation.
You can upgrade the SSD card, the bad news is that it's the smallest SSD card. Can't they do anything right?
>I also believe you could build a better PC with $600 than what the Steam Deck is offering.
Not really, you could build one of those miniature PCs that can run emulators at full speed and some AAA games at 1080p/60fps/all settings on medium-high, and while it'd still be a better investment than a deck it's just stupid to either buy the gimmick device or build the gimmick PC when you could simply save up a little more and build a gayman PC for $1500 or so, have it last you way longer than either of those devices, and being easily upgradable (one top of the line graphic card/processor every 3-5 years and more RAM if you need it).
It's made even more ironic considering he's married to a chink and leftists all mocked him for being a white guy who married an asian and is going around telling people about how ethnically superior his hapa children are.
What many anons fail to understand is that these devices are being sold at a loss. Standard PC components can't be sold at a loss. GPU manufacturers can't sell them to you at a loss, laptop manufacturers can't sell them to you at a loss, none of these companies run robust software centers that print money. Valve can print money after a few game sales on each unit, which means they can out compete other hardware distributors for the same product. Just like how Sony can sell you much better price to performance than you could realistically hope to get on a PC. Except Valve is making no effort to lock you into their software ecosystem, they already know 99% of people are bought into their system and gain nothing from locking you into it.
Getting as many people away from Microsoft's and Nintendo's walled gardens is in Valve's best interest, even if that means selling you hardware at a loss.
But one of the problems with GNU/Linux from a glownigger perspective is that there a six gorillion distros with differing CFLAGs, package management systems, update schedules/policies and autistic userbases doing additional customizations which can go all over the place even on popular distros like Jewbuntu.
There's no way to get the same kind of advertiser friendly rootkit level telemetry from regular GNU/Linux on a widespread basis compared to the built-in botnets found on Windows and Android, you could of course devise custom spyware to reliably observe a small subset of users with known configurations but that requires computer skills and doesn't generate terabytes of accurate de-spoofed telemetry that can be put into a NN spreadsheet analyzer and sold to private glowporations for $$$.
By selling a mass market GNU/Linux Device™ to low IQ normalfags that aren't likely to leave the built-in Steam client the creation of standardized accurate Big Data telemetry reports become possible even among the Lunix community.
Shit like the Librem and OpenPandora don't count as they're sold in small numbers to a userbase the size of a floating point error in Jewgle Analytics.
Since it's effectively a PC, I guess it'll be a guy like PC and Toaster. Maybe Toaster's little brother, who's either going to be hilariously more capable than Toaster or just as much of a fuckup.
You're getting a loli with salami nipples and you're going to like it.
>There's no way to get the same kind of advertiser friendly rootkit level telemetry from regular GNU/Linux on a widespread basis compared to the built-in botnets found on Windows and Android, you could of course devise custom spyware to reliably observe a small subset of users with known configurations but that requires computer skills and doesn't generate terabytes of accurate de-spoofed telemetry that can be put into a NN spreadsheet analyzer and sold to private glowporations for $$$.
Snap and Flatpak might help reduce the level of effort you need to put in.
This shit doesn't look ergonomics. Enjoy your arthritis.
Won't get one.
.t proud owner of his second ereader.
If I was 13 I would've asked my parents for an Xbox with gamepass.
There's no audience for this thing, has no exclusives and portable gaming sucks. The sun is the screens active enemy, the weight and heath are another thing to battle knowing the sun. There's not even Nintendo exclusives. I have no doubt it might succeed, for drones gotta buy. But realistically it's a bad deal given the alternatives. I assume the audience is 18 year olds that grew up with consoles and want to grow along their hobby to something with higher standards, the thing is, however, that the Steam Deck doesn't really offer anything better than the current gen consoles do.
If you're outside, go do something that isn't video gaming. In fact, I'm going outside and catch a few hours of shade with my trusty second ereader device right fucking now nigger. This apparatus has already left my mind, it's useless.
People don't buy laptops because they want to compute outside. People don't buy Nintendo Switches because they want to play video games outside either. People buy portable computers because they don't want to lug around a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and tower when they want to go over to a friends house or travel somewhere for any reason.
>Can't imagine why someone would want a portable device
>"Lol dude you're outside do something else"
>Jerks off his ereader in the same sentence
Bit of a gorilla moment for you, eh?
If you travel, that's an activity you're actively doing. Please specify what you mean by traveling, because it can't possibly be the traveling itself. People with low standards that seem to ignore the issues presented might buy something, sure. Doesn't mean I will. If you notice I'm talking about myself in the post you replied to and you aren't even disagreeing with me, I myself stated people buy Switches for instance. Telling me people do is not an argument against any point I made.
I can clearly imagine, I even gave reasons. Ereader doesn't succumb to battery life, resolution, screen glare and heath which are all issues portable gaming has. Which is why I compared the two- It's something that's arguably reasonable to own and use outside for the reasons provided.
Ah yes. Gorillas are defined by a single trait, and used as an adjective, silly me. So no.
This post reads like something a shizo would type.
>If you travel, that's an activity you're actively doing
>Please specify what you mean by traveling, because it can't possibly be the traveling itself.
I have no fucking clue what you mean by this but traveling could be moving out of the place you're renting, going to a friends place, any instance where you aren't going to be statically living in the same location for an extended period of time or any instance where you simply aren't going to be at your home for an extended period of time.
Most peoples general computing use cases wouldn't justify this kind of device. But I can conceive of use cases for myself, and I like it conceptually. The idea of having a small form factor computer than you can just dock into whatever monitor and keyboard you have lying around is cool to me. Having a small form factor PC with all the peripherals embedded in the device relieves anxiety I have over things like my house burning down or otherwise needing to up and leave my home.
>If you notice I'm talking about myself in the post you replied to and you aren't even disagreeing with me, I myself stated people buy Switches for instance. Telling me people do is not an argument against any point I made.
Your post is talking about how no one should be computing or gaming outside. I'm just saying that there are other reasons for wanting a portable device than needing to use it outside.
>If I was 13 I would've asked my parents for an Xbox with gamepass.
>There's no audience for this thing
<There's no audience for a device that can literally emulate every generation up to the 8th gen (excluding PS4, XO, and 99.9% of Vita's library) on the go.
<There's no audience for a device that can play some of the hottest AAA movie games normalfags love.
Why would you want to emulate anything with controls like that?
What's wrong with the controls?
I'm drawing a comparison between you and an ape to insult your intelligence, being obtuse about it just proves the point.
Portability doesn't mean it must be played outside. As someone who travelled with a console and tv in his car multiple times a week, for conventions, tournaments and hanging out, this would have been a godsend. The switch is very good for this too but unfortunately it lacks the kind of library I'm looking for.
To get to the point: the audience exists and I'm part of it.
I don't find anything intresting about it. Tell me what's the supposed appeal.
PC on the go that you can use on the bus or train or airplane and play games with it. That's the appeal.
scroll up and you'll find out
>too lazy to read the thread on a 3 pph board
I've read yet I still don't get the apeal.
I just don't find that intresting. You already have notebooks. So what is this for?
It also looks kinda shit.
scroll up and you'll find out
>You already have notebooks. So what is this for?
Every notebook I've ever seen has been a slow ass toaster intended for typing documents, reading Faceberg, watching Jewtube, with the most intense game running on it being Solitaire. This (supposedly) runs recent games at decent settings, aside from resolution since the screen itself is below 1080p.
Mind you it's weaker than Soyny and Micro$haft's current gen consoles, so the longevity of it running the newest AAA garbage may be severely limited.It'll be a toaster compared to a decent setup, but a beast compared to most laptops. And at $400 you're probably paying less than half of what a somewhat powerful laptop would cost.
Also you don't need an external controller and/or mouse, which could be nice. A mouse on-the-go is terrible because you need a flat surface. But I've never used steam controller so I have no frame of reference for how this thing's gonna feel for mouse input.
There's no way I could dislike a cute loli, I'm just saying what makes the most sense to me.
Anon I have very long fingers and even I cringe in discomfort while imagining trying to use that thing. The buttons are not placed close enough to the place where the palm rests. It's huge, larger than the Wii U gamepad and much heavier, and I already hated using the gamepad. I don't imagine this thing will be comfortable to play with the built-in controls for more than an hour at most.
Sorry, I meant the thumbsticks and touchpad. My mind's eye swapped the positions of those things for some reason before I referenced an image.
>I cringe in discomfort while imagining trying to use that thing
At least you can prop it up and just use an external bluetooth controller. Too bad about the 60hz LCD screen or I'd consider it, it feels backwards that Nintendo's depreciated tech strategy is delivering an OLED portable soon, and this isn't. Can't go back after the Vita.
I wouldn't be surprised if it would be an easy mod to replace the screen with an OLED.
the wii u gamepad is comfy tho.
Compared to a plain 3DS, maybe. That shit gave me cramps because my hands were too big for it until I got one of those plastic bodies that make it more ergonomic. Fucking nips and their childlike bodies.
Nigger, outside the GB all Nintendos portables handled like shit.
I still loved my SP and Micro, fuck you
How is that even relevant to what I said? It's not like I'm Mark, I don't know why you think I suck Nintendo's cock. I agree with you though, the GBA SP was arguably the best handheld of all time. Stylish, durable, backwards-compatible, and finally fucking backlit. But Nintendo doesn't have that much in the way of continuous competition with regards to handhelds.
Actually, the only reason I had a Wii U to begin with was I bought it for $50, pre-hacked, from a friend before he moved out of state.
Alot of ereaders have spyware built in. Also
>not buying a tablet to put LineageOS on, and making it your multimedia device/ereader
A tablet is not comparable to an e-ink device. And plenty of e-readers have FOSS operating systems that can be installed on them.
>He bought a WiiU
But anon, it was so convenient. Every Wii U game freely available without the pitfalls of emulation. I'm never going to live this down aren't I?
The Wii U is comfy, fuk u.
Incredible, is it an actual AEWtist outside of degenerate pothead and cucked shitlib circles? But you must not have been watching recently, brother, or FrontRowDynamiteFan would showed you the proper way to BTFO jews.
>Incredible, is it an actual AEWtist outside of degenerate pothead and cucked shitlib circles?
I post on Smug /wooo/ regularly, anon. If you do too, we've probably traded some (You)s.
>if you're moving out
You got no time to play video games.
>if you're going to a friends place
You got no time to play video games
Whether you're renting or "renting" has little to do with your home.
>no one should
You don't "need" them other than for going outside. They offer no other benefit, but I'm not the one droning about inferior experiences.
>I just called you stupid
No, you asked if something I said was a bit of a gorilla moment, despite the fact that gorillas can't talk. So nothing particular gorilla about it. Hence me answering with no. Don't ask questions if you can't handle their answer. Gorillas aren't particularly equated to stupidity either, this is all science.
>when I'm in my car
You should be driving.
>pretending to be retarded this obnoxiously
Reported and filtered.
This thread is an obvious, massive cuckchan/shill invasion vector.
This is going to be my only post calling it out for now before I hide it for myself and never have to look at it again hopefully, but if anyone wonders about the drop in post and board quality and the low effort posters showing up, this should be an obvious explanation.
I lied about that being my only post, because the fucking second I opened the catalog up again I see this bullshit.
Fucking 'realize' what's happening you retards.
That is all, hopefully.
>This thread is an obvious, massive cuckchan/shill invasion vector.
A tablet has no e-ink. Unless there's another difference an ereader is also a tablet. If you're going to stare at a screen that has no e-ink, might as well whip out your phone and read on there.
Don't connect to the internet, see battery. As far as ereaders are concerned, the FOSS alternatives (I tried) suck. You'd think something running linux would load books faster than android. Couldn't be more wrong.
Don't need any of that bloat I just want to read.
>muh multimedia device
I don't need any of that garbage. I want to media on my dedicated devices, not outside when I could be reading. A tablet would go against all the benefits I've listed a priori.
I don't think any invading is being done, for example: people literally play switch editions of multiplats and are unapologetic about it during their reviews. This has been going on for at least 18 months now. People really simply are this braindead.
What are you talking about?
This board hasn't even existed for 18 months I think, unless time has flown by way faster, but even then that's only the case if you include fatchan and zchan
It might have indeed been some other chan derivative. But I consider all of them the same. No archives makes it kind of impossible to tell which one it was.
You are many moons too late in coming to this realization. Most of the cuckchan meme spamming was done by an actual, most likely underage, cuckchan rapefugee who thinks he is "le ebin troll". This was just the latest development in nigger invasions too, it has been going on since around the time of the 8fed bunker thread.
Good job immediately proving invasion-anon right.
18month ago would put you with vch.moe and fatchan being the two non cuckchan /v/ boards
*the two most active
I'm really pissed fatchan died. It caught that spark and was smothered in its crib.
I honestly suspect Mark or Acid behind its death, since markchan was pretty much dead back then
You're not welcome here, bone goblin.
>not buying a tablet to put LineageOS on, and making it your multimedia device/ereader
>not buying a free as in freedom e-paper
Since they made the inkplate-6plus, I guess I will wait for the inkplate-9plus and buy that instead.
What does the cripple have to do with either of those sites?
Valve once again corrected the specs. This time RAM.
What did they change and why?
Compared to what's in the OP pic, they only added the "quad 32-bit channels" part.
Not impossible but doubtful, vch was more popular and that was his, he's tarded and attention whoring but he doesn't care much as long as he has his groupies.
That was the time he and his buttbuddies went all scorched earth on 8chan and slightly afterwards the whole webring got attacked in a similar fashion.
Means that instead of not knowing how fast the RAM is now we know it's fucking fast as fuck so the APU will not have anywhere near the bottleneck it would have on regular DDR4 or poorly implemented LPDDR.
They've changed the "5500 MT/s dual-channel" line, which now says "5500 MT/s quad 32-bit channels". What this basically means is that both Steam Deck's RAM and CPU will perform better, since RAM speed and bandwidth is quite important to Ryzen CPUs.
This device sucks for 2d "platformers" that can be played at 4k/120/hdr/oled- games that are more stylish than they are graphically advanced
This device sucks for playing more beefy games even if just played at 60fps it can barely handle that.
So what's left? Emulation? Also runs better on my PC, connected to my TV or monitor. Has worse performance than your shitbox or ps5. I truly don't get it, then again I don't use Steam as social media.
The idea they want to inspire is
>Like a Switch, but for PC gaymen
the same way Steam Machines were
>Like a console, but for PC gaymen
the appeal is playing TF2 while taking a shit, i think
The main appeal is portability. Otherwise it would just be a decent and cheap PC. Which is still an appeal in itself as most normalfags don't want to spend more than 1000$ on a PC to play gayms and are also too dumb to build one.
As the switch has demonstrated, most people don't mind playing an inferior port as long as is playable and convenient.
if your shits last longer than 2 minutes, including going to and fro etc, then you should perhaps more focus on changing your diet. Why would I want feces stank all over my tablet? It would take me longer to actually load up the game, grab my console, etc, than to take the shit. Also you've got issues if you can't leave your toy for more than 2 minutes.
>playing tf2 over wifi
>without a mouse
My tf2 folder in all likelihood doesn't even fit the 64gb. Though fair, you don't need an ssd for tf2 since it depends on how fast others load. I've not heard a single use for this device in particular. If you care about portability you'd get a higher-end device, not Steam Deck. If you can't afford one, portability isn't really the excuse to fall back on.
Scroll up and you'll find out.
>If you care about portability you'd get a higher-end device
There's no higher end device in the handheld PC category.
Just because it has a higher price tag doesn't mean it's actually better, both the Tiger Lake based handhelds and also the AYA NEO are sidegrade at best.
>There's no higher end device in the handheld PC category.
There are better performing laptops which is the same category I'd put this device into since "handheld PC" is too specific, but in terms of raw price to performance there is no way any laptop will ever come close to competing with these Steam Decks because they can be sold at a loss while laptops can't.
You're getting a low-end portable PC that can be docked while at home and used as a tablet and gaming controller while not at home. No $400 laptop will ever get anywhere near the price to performance of this device.
The people going on about how useless this is seem to have no concept of how ridiculously expensive most laptops are for the hardware you get. It's kind of annoying seeing people so ignorant about markets I guess they've never had dealings with assert with such confidence that there's no way anyone could ever need a steam dick.
>hey I'm selling this useless shit for $1500
<I'm not interested
>what if I make it so you can smell your shit on the go and price it at $400, are you interested now?
>processor, GPU, ram, screen, motherboard, and storage
<useless smelly shit
First you'd have to qualify why any of these things are useless when they're the very things you're using to communicate with me right now. I suppose you could take an anarcho primitive stance and define all forms of modern technology as useless, and video games themselves as useless. But under those standards coming to a forum to shit-post about how you hate video games would be just as useless as the video games themselves, and that would be a fundamental inconsistency in your philosophical framework.
>There are better performing laptops which is the same category I'd put this device into since "handheld PC" is too specific
Netbooks is what those use to be called, basically anything under 1kg
But yeah nothing even comes close to being able to compete with the deck in the domain of portable device, and even compared to desktop APUs it's really damn hard to find something that'll really be much better in that price range.
Your post is painfully pretentious but I'll clarify anyway. I was referring to the fact that the form factor, like gaming laptops (which cost around $1500) is useless. Everything is downgraded or sacrificed for the sake of the form factor, thus, the product is useless.
You get the desktop APU gaming experience for the price of a desktop APU build, don't see where the downgrade is.
>I was referring to the fact that the form factor, like gaming laptops (which cost around $1500) is useless.
You said a gaming laptop is just as useless at $1500 as it is at $400. Which means that you think the essence of the hardware is useless. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to interpret that in any other way. If a display, GPU, CPU, ram, and storage are useless at every single price bracket then I'm frankly confused about what your position here is. Is that not an anarcho primitive stance declaring that computers themselves are useless?
It's a very undesirable form factor other than the fact that its portable, which the parts are permanently bound to and has very little capacity for upgrades. Valve would be fucking themselves over if they sold devices at a loss that you could harvest parts from. You're also making drastic assumptions there won't be unknown issues, some of which are very obvious unanswered questions like heat management.
You're just being obtuse at this point. I don't really have any desire to reply to you if you are going to selectively forget parts of my posts which I have already written, like the words "form factor." It's tedious.
>are very obvious unanswered questions like heat management.
It uses less power than a switch, and is thicker than it, what makes you think there'll be any issues?
>product from a company that makes limited runs of experimental hardware which at best are extremely niche and at worst are useless
What makes you think there won't be any? Their marketing press releases? There isn't even any footage of the damn thing running a game.
I find it very bizarre how this device has suddenly turned everyone into an optimistic consumer again.
>You're just being obtuse at this point. I don't really have any desire to reply to you if you are going to selectively forget parts of my posts which I have already written, like the words "form factor." It's tedious.
I'm not sure how a form factor is supposed to detract from the value proposition of a device like this. Do you think all portable machines are useless? The portability of a device might not matter for you but it matters for a lot of people.
Even if you completely ignore it as a handheld device, it's still highly competitive as a simple small form factor PC that you can dock up easily to a keyboard and mouse. I'm not being obtuse, it just seems like you're really grasping at straws to make good hardware that is clearly being sold at a loss sound like a bad deal.
>It's a very undesirable form factor other than the fact that its portable, which the parts are permanently bound to and has very little capacity for upgrades
I think this is a valid criticism. I would personally rather have had just an x86 tablet with attachable controllers rather than it be a plastic slab. But it not being a perfect device doesn't mean it isn't a competitive device for its price point.
>Valve would be fucking themselves over if they sold devices at a loss that you could harvest parts from
It's more likely that it's simply too costly to develop a device that is mechanically complicated enough to have things like detachable controllers. It would probably add $100+ to the price to be capable of that.
Anon, you stated I am a Luddite because I don't like gaming laptops in your previous post. Try to re-examine your posting style. Nobody wants to bother replying to someone that condescending, while at the same time making themselves look incredibly foolish. You talk about parts as if they have intrinsic value even though the Deck parts are inseparable from the device. Therefore the parts have absolutely no value unless the device as a whole has value.
>Do you think all portable machines are useless?
For gaming, near enough. They sacrifice a ton of user experience quality and performance for the sake of being able to use it on the go. I have never wanted to play video games in a location that didn't have a display and peripherals that I could dock a conventional PC in a small case to.
>>product from a company that makes limited runs of experimental hardware which at best are extremely niche and at worst are useless
>What makes you think there won't be any?
There's nothing particularly experimental about the device well maybe LPDDR5 but it would be exceptionally unlucky for that to be an issue, I wouldn't expect any issues besides the usual issues you would get on such a device, meaning the gamepad parts wearing downn, the screen being easily broken, battery related issues etc.
Okay, I'll correct myself to be absolutely fair: I haven't wanted to play games on the go since I regularly used a Game Boy Advance SP, which was my early teens.
For a start, they haven't revealed the exact parts in the specs yet, and it sounds to me like some of them will be custom-designed for this device. (Which would make sense, because again, people could just flip the parts for cash otherwise). Therefore you're placing complete faith in Valve's (or more likely, AMD's) quality control on a new device with a new form factor that has new parts. It may be similar to pre existing devices, but it is also one designed by Valve who have no experience with laptops let alone this Switch-like device.
"I would never want a portable computer" isn't an argument for why a portable computer is useless. Gaming laptops aren't useless, they're a bad value. There is nothing inherently wrong with them besides. You sacrifice size and portability to have a powerful good price to performance computer. For you the value proposition is better there, but for many people having a portable device is the better value.
For a lot of people being able to fit their computing device in a backpack is invaluable. Maybe they need to travel a lot or aren't settled down. Or maybe they just don't want or need an expensive computer and want something small form factor. Just because you personally can't find value in small form factor or portable machines doesn't mean they're useless. It can change the value proposition for yourself, but your inability to fathom peoples needs external to your own experience with the world is concerning. Even people hardcore on the spectrum that I've met are able to empathize and incorporate external experiences into their personal understanding of the world better than you seem to be right now.
You haven't made a compelling argument at any point in this thread as to why any of the devices you called useless are actually useless. All you've done is kvetch about the fact that I'm challenging you on your retarded claims and that you don't like my tone. If I didn't know any better I'd think you had a fucking vagina.
>travel a lot
>spend 400 petrodollars on Gabe's Deck
<"this'll be perfect for me, it's so affordable and I never have to worry about peripherals"
>six months later you're in a state or country hundreds of miles away from home and a single part in the device breaks rendering it all useless, just like a laptop
Does it not stand to reason that if you travel a lot and need something that works, you wouldn't buy something unproven which is categorically less reliable than the alternative?
They're useless because the people who think they're valuable haven't thought hard enough about their other options. "Bad value" is a technically correct term but why would you choose the worst option given sufficient knowledge? Laptops and other portable devices are always, and I mean always, less reliable than any case where you could replace a broken part yourself.
>hurr you might have autism
Sorry. I don't empathize with people who make bad purchases. Normalfags always exist and will always buy stupid shit. Why do you empathize with them?
>For a start, they haven't revealed the exact parts in the specs yet, and it sounds to me like some of them will be custom-designed for this device.
Besides the mainboards there's little chance of anything being truly custom made for that specific device.
>Therefore you're placing complete faith in Valve's
Considering Valve mostly will deal with things that aren't new to them I'm fairly confident they won't completely fuck it up, though if a fuck up were to happen I'd wager they would be the ones responsible.
>or more likely, AMD's
I am fairly confident in AMD pulling it's weight in that specific design, in fact there' a fair chance that they're responsible for most of the design of the "computer" side of things and have a large involvement in the thermal design.
>six months later you're in a state or country hundreds of miles away from home and a single part in the device breaks rendering it all useless, just like a laptop
Where are you buying your portables and laptops that it breaks all of the time?
I stopped after the first couple of times and after witnessing stupid shit occurring with similar hardware at work. Why would I continue buying devices that break? You may not have had the same experience, but it's not like I'm going to keep gambling just because you're the lucky one.
>six months later you're in a state or country hundreds of miles away from home and a single part in the device breaks rendering it all useless, just like a laptop
Once again, this does not devalue portability. You're just outlining the trade off of small form factor devices.
>They're useless because the people who think they're valuable haven't thought hard enough about their other options.
What other option? I want an x86 tablet that can fit in my backpack. That is useful to me. Would it be better if the tablet was designed in such a way that the parts are easily replaceable and repairable? Of course. But PINE64 products are years and years away from being even remotely close to usable, and are a fraction of the performance of this device.
It's fine that you refuse to buy a product you can't easily repair. But some people need laptops and other portable devices for their day to day lives and are willing to accept that trade off. The device isn't useless because you don't personally value portability as much as they do.
You've got the right ideas, anon. I think the other guy is just too autistic, and projecting their world view or lifestyle onto others.
I can't speak for your other options unless I were to know exactly what you wanted, which might not even be possible over this medium. What do you need a tablet for? Why does it have to be x86? Etc.
>The device isn't useless because you don't personally value portability
You're not getting it. You can build small PCs that can fit in a backpack. My position is that the trade off, as you call it, is bad for everyone. Just because you don't know you're getting ripped off doesn't mean it was a good deal.
If you wanted to upboat, you could have just posted on leddit.
>six months later you're in a state or country hundreds of miles away from home and a single part in the device breaks rendering it all useless, just like a laptop
This sort of happened to me. A few years after buying a 3DS from abroad, the analog stick "cap" fell off, and I've been operating what's left of the stick since.
That's another thing I don't quite get, why everyone is so confident that Valve is going to release a winner at launch when Nintendo still has issues despite being in the handheld market for some 30 odd years.
>What do you need a tablet for?
The form factor is smaller than a laptop and easier to palm. I don't need or want a massive display. Something the size of an e-reader is fine for my computing needs. In the perfect world you could even swap out an e-ink display on the fly if you wanted, but that's a bit of an out there idea.
>Why does it have to be x86?
Because that's what the software I want to use runs on. ARM is cancer to work with even when it comes to software that does work on it.
>You can build small PCs that can fit in a backpack.
Except you can't build a small form factor PC that comes even remotely close to the hardware of this device for the same price. Most half-decent SFF PC cases alone cost $200+ dollars. I could buy 2 or 3 steam dicks before price matching an equivalent self-built machine.
The questions I asked were mere examples, it's fairly obvious why someone would want an x86 device instead of ARM. However I recently built my own SFF PC and the case did not cost anything close to 200 bucks. Of course I had to forgo a decent GPU due to our current joke of a market, so if you're desperate for a PC that can render things in 3D right now, then I guess the Deck is your only real option. But I will say I got to choose a better CPU. Cable management in that case was a bit of a pain but I got it to work just fine with some finagling.
The real value is not in the price of the parts themselves but your peace of mind in ensuring that the device does not crap out on you completely when you want to use it. Devices like laptops and tablets are all well and good until something happens to them. They're more likely to fail on you because their parts are more closely integrated. But this is all just based on my personal experience. No discount is worth anything to me if hardware is unreliable. If you've owned a dozen tablets and none of them broke on you, I can't say anything that will convince you in all likelihood. However I have owned 1 laptop that ran well until the monitor connection became unreliable due to the opening and closing action of the hinge, and another whose battery crapped out in less than a year and it was unusable unless plugged into the adapter -- which at that point, nearly defeats the purpose of making it portable. And I've had many tell me "that's the standard with laptops," so why assume Valve's battery won't shit the bed? At work I've seen even stupider shit happen with laptops. To me the idea that Valve will knock it out of the park, before even seeing footage of the thing in action, is just unfounded optimism, and it comes off as strange.
If the device comes out and ends up being reliable, then I guess I'll have to eat my words. But there's a lot of time between then and now and we don't even know how reliable this thing is going to be. It's just speculation based on the "reputation" of Valve and AMD, which to me is bullshit anyway. All it takes is one asshole in management to screw things up even with the best of intentions.
You won't face any argument from me that a device being more serviceable is always better. And it's completely valid to value the comfort of knowing you can swap out a broken component easily over the convenience of portability and integrated peripherals. The difference is that I'm perfectly capable of acknowledging the value in both of these things independently and understanding that the scales of what creates the optimal value proposition for any individual person aren't always going to be the same.
>so why assume Valve's battery won't shit the bed?
I don't. And if the battery isn't user replaceable that would be very bad. I'm not going to excuse hardware being difficult or impossible to service.
>To me the idea that Valve will knock it out of the park, before even seeing footage of the thing in action, is just unfounded optimism, and it comes off as strange.
No one is assuming they will. All I'm saying is that this kind of device and form factor is not useless. "But if it breaks you're screwed". If my phone breaks I'm screwed too, but that doesn't have to be the case. And that doesn't make the existence of the smart phone form factor inherently flawed or bad. We're now starting to see products from Librem and PINE64 that are serviceable. Unfortunately they're functionally unusable, but it's interesting technology. And the Steam Deck is interesting too. I hope it's serviceable, and if it isn't I hope Valve gets shit on relentlessly for it and someone else picks up the slack or they iterate on the next version of it.
The great thing about the Steam Dick is that if you don't like it you can just shove it up your ass and cry about how Valve fucked you up your ass with their shit products.
Seems pretty innovative, plus 16:10 is a great aspect ratio that should be further adopted.
It breaks new grounds, you losers are just detracting for the sake of being miserable.
just say 8:5 like god intended
It looks like shit.
Just say 4:2.5
>Seems pretty innovative, plus 16:10 is a great aspect ratio that should be further adopted.
Further readopted you mean. 16:10 was the main widescreen ratio for monitors for its superior productivity capabilities until economies of scale through sharing manufacturing lines with tvs pushed 16:9 to the fore.
Steam Deck is too cheap. If you're going this route of luxury handheld product you might as well go the full 9 yards, or get a Switch if it's too expensive. There's nothing to this Deck other than brand loyalty for people that put way too much effort into cultivating their Steam Account.
From what I've heard, Valve is making a loss on these