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What a nice board!
READ THE RULES https://zzzchan.xyz/v/custompage/rules.html
Check this thread out >>>/vhs/6


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Who are your favorite lolis in videogames? Who would you take as your daughter or wife?
Mine are Yumi, Purin and Roll. Are there any recent videogames or mods with lolis? I only heard about Onirism but I haven't played it.
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favorite fedposter?
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I want to have a daughter like Miyako someday.
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>>43098
That's an awful outfit and zher hair looks like a dried out brush.
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>>43100
That's the point of it.
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>>43081 (OP) 
Onirism is pretty good. It's still in early access, but has a good amount of content to go through, and the weapons and movement feel satisfying. Oh, and it's made by the French.
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>>43104
onirism more like onaholism
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>>43104
>it's made by the French
Not surprised.
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does this one count
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For me, it's charwwotte.
>>43114
The face of death and destruction.
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Patty is a pretty fun loli baba.

>>43114
Why did they localize her as Elmer Fudd?
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>>43114
I've been meaning to try that game purely because she's so cute.
>fifteen yeaws owd
Is that just a translation thing or is she actually that old?
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>>43127
Shes the one doing the raping, though
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>>43180
Give me cartton drawing of little girls or give me death.
Also, stop trying to turn everything into a meta thread nigger.
>>43081 (OP) 
You're from cakechan
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>>43180
/v/iggers are largely retarded and will only respond to memes like loliposting. If you're referring to 8kunt it's more like the loli ban was the final straw and it was already obvious Jim had washed his hands of us. If anons actually paid attention and weren't PPH addicts, the decentralized exodus would have happened in 2016.
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>>43189
>/v/iggers
Doesn't even make any sense, I thought we were /v/irgins or /v/ermin
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>>43175
I think it might have been censored up depending on when in the game that was taken from, but from what I remember of SD3 from ages ago, she is in fact much older than she looks. IIRC she's part fairy or something.
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>>43190
>loudly screeching at everything in sight
>angry about everything, never does anything about it
>will proudly follow retards and jews if they're told they're the greatest
>looked down upon by almost everyone else
No, I'd say /v/igger fits for most of /v/'s history, though at least /v/ can create beautiful things. sage for meta
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>>43192
I more mean it doesn't really fit with the letter not the board
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>>43194
IT'S /V/GGERS
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>>43175
That's her actual age.
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%28%E8%81%96%E5%89%A3%E4%BC%9D%E8%AA%AC3%29#h2_0
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>>43109
Yes, though only barely.
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>>43202
Snoutless cat-face is a dangerous game to play. Not because it's furry-proximate--although, like a radioactive gas, you can never really safely ignore that aspect--but because it's really easy to end up with a monstrosity through the wrong combination of things humans have and things cats have. Not a hot monstrosity, either. Probably the greatest danger zone is the mouth, specifically the portrayal of lips, but colon-3 mouths nearly always avert disaster there since fan artists nearly always respect it.
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>>43217
You sound like a retard
>>43191
>>43201
Oh, okay then. Aging up characters is one of the dumber things translations do, since if there was lewd stuff it's not like writing a different number on a character bio makes it less lewd.

>>43180
Banning loli is a much clearer line to cross unlike the other stuff which, as you said, was gradual and thus much easier to ignore or not notice.>>43189
>If anons actually paid attention and weren't PPH addicts, the decentralized exodus would have happened in 2016.
Also this. I would have left as soon as Jim took over if there had been anywhere else to go.
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>>43377
The problem that leads to age-ups in vidyais if you don't, you get kikes and christcucks projecting their pedophilia onto you and getting your game pulled from shelves. This is why Edea in Bravely Default got bumped from 9 to (I think) 13. This is probably the only form of censorship I'm willing to barely tolerate because it's just a symptom of feminism rather than an attempt to avoid pissing off christcucks or push an agenda.
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>>43202
Sause?
>>43412
nao
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>>43412
There's are these two sites called SauceNAO and Yandex. Use it.
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>>43432
Would it really have killed you to rename the pictures to something useful? The names of the girls or games they're from would take up less words.
>would it kill you to download some extenions and turn on scripts?
yes it would.
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>>43433
>>43412
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>>43407
>This is why Edea in Bravely Default got bumped from 9 to (I think) 13
That was 15 to 18, unless you're talking about the new game which I don't know shit about.
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>>43434
I can't believe there are people that never played this.
>>43445
What is this?  It looks like if .hack were about anime mexicans.
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>>43445
>tfw no catgirl that loves you blindly, calls you master, fights monster and doesnt afraid of anything
J U S T
U
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>>43447
I can't believe there are people that can't do a simple search based on all the material provided in this thread without begging to be spoonfed.
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>>43454
It was a shit game, I don't blame anons for not knowing it.
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>>43455
you're mum was a shit game
>>43455
The original is a little rough around the edges, but the sequel is one of the best PS2 games.
>>43454
Being batman I've discovered that pigtail pirate is from tales of vesperia, but a loli cat girl could be literally anything. There is no information about her besides being a loli cat girl, thats not enough.

Saucenao yielded nothing useful. Just hanzi and some guy named dogyd and his name lead nowhere.
>>43180
>freeze peach
You are a nigger and a normalfag for using this term, even ironically.  The fact it exists in your brain means you have been terminally psyopped by trannies and leftists.
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>>43462
>needing to have your government approve of everything you say to be able to say it
I love the 21st century
>>43461
At least you tried. It's Dark Cloud anon
>>43461
You sure need to learn how to search on the web. Just knowing it is a catgirl from a ps2 game is enough to find the source in under 5 minutes.
>>43461
Someone posted porn of the catgirl in the thread, you could have easily reversed search that to some booru and found the game name among the tags.
t. also never heard of the game but going to add it to my backlog
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>>43175
She's a half-elf and ages slower.
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>>43469
>never heard of the game
there was literally a thread about it just a day ago before the nigger bird decided to deleted it because ?????????????????
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>>43476
Because the cuckchan OP couldn't help but add a wojak.
>>43475
But does the Japanese script imply she's supposed to be slower to develop mentally too in how she speaks? Or did Square's western branch, or whoever they whored the game out to for localization, feel she needed to be made even less mature?
>>43498
It's "kawaii" or some shit, she has the vocal cords of a child and the script fucks with how she pronounces things to reflect that. I remember the fan translation did something similar but not Elmer Fudd levels, so it's not nu-Square being retarded this time
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>>43498
She says stuff like "dechi" instead of desu and "watachi" instead of watashi.
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>>43501
I mean "atachi" instead of atashi. Also she doesn't use kanji in her dialog, to imply childishness. 

They went way overboard in the localization though.
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I knew I saved all this Etna art for a reason.

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>>43502
I went back and checked the fan translation and there's a point where she tries to read a book and can't read any of the kanji. She's retarded.
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>>44357
>tfw i cannot stand etna at all for her looks, attitude, and character
Everything about her I despise and I don't know why
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>>44358
There's only one explanation.
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>>44358
>doesn't like smug demon washboards
What a loser lmao
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>>44626
>I never understood why people needed to post loli porn on a video games board to begin with
The name of this thread should be enough reason to get through your thick nigger skull. But I guess reading anything in the thread you entered or putting 2 and 2 together is too much to ask for from a nigger.
>>44635
Maybe, I remember leaving for the webring as soon as I saw the state the site was in. As far as I can tell the majority of users migrated after waiting three months and coming back to a broken and deserted website.
>>44639
I've seen worse.
>>44654
Cry about it, Agent Sanders
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>>44657
Posting porn is allowed on this board, and these threads are no exception. If you're really that upset about people posting images that you don't like, please leave and choose to visit one of the many imageboards that ban it. Otherwise, go suck a fat one and stop your bitching.
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Reminder to not reply to goons.
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>>44667
>The line "/v/ doesn't play games" isn't a stereotype or projection, it's a fact and you can go on any /v/ on the internet and you will find it a common truth.
<he says on the dedicated game night board
Have some loli for your return trip.
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>>44679
>side tie pantsu
Is that the train loli game?
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>>44681
Yes. More like a novel with unlockable h-scenes than a game though. There isnt even really any choices as far as I know, just unlockable routes.
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>>44683
Oh that sucks, I like a lot of choices and/or gameplay.
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>>44685
You 99% of the time won't find that in modern VNs since every company is near bankrupt and doesn't want to hire a gameplay guy. I miss the days of the shitty attempts at gameplay.
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>>44689
There are still tons of eroge with gameplay, they are just released on DLsite rather than as big budget productions.
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>>44691
Yeah I guess, but a lot of that is cuckshit or RPGmaker.
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>>44692
RPGmaker games can still be fun. There's a good loli one with gameplay like Harvest Moon/Animal Crossing, where you marry a whole town of lolis from various games.
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ146143.html
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>>44696
Sounds interesting until you see the subpar (and sometimes downright shit) art
>>44696
Looks interesting but doesnt seem like there is a translation and I'd rather not use MTL. Also WolfRPG > RPGMaker
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>>44700
post some example of a game made with wolfrpg to corroborate your claim then
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>>44701
>I cannot use a search engine
Dont worry, I will spoonfeed you anon.
Most of these are not really loli though.

>Imouto!? Life ~Monochrome~
Live with imouto, work, work out and do lewd things at night.
>The Imperial Gatekeeper
Papers Please but its actually good its great.
>Introducing An Apprentice Incubus
This is more of a traditional RPGMaker game. Play as a shota incubus, has atleast one loli.
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Lolis in vidya?
How about: lolis as consoles?
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>>44714
The true chad test is bringing this on a busy train and playing it
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>>44716
Truth.
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>>44718
>Greasy hair and no gainz
It's shit
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>>44714
that's brilliant, I'm gonna assume it's just a home made sticker?
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>>44700
That's why you should already know Japanese. The ones that are "translated" are usually machine translations anyway.
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>>44727
That's one weird looking lever
correct me if i'm wrong haven't played in ages but you get to fuck pic related in wots4
great game regardless
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>>44748
I don't see any pic on your post.
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>>44747
Cry more faggot, you're really accomplishing a lot.
Reminder that blacked.moe users are all fat cucks.
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>>44765
You do, but the game makes you jump through hoops to do it, likely to fool the censors.

You "nightcrawl" her once, but when you get the joke scene you reload a save to before and then you nightcrawl fo' reals
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Squids are very important.
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>>44947
Yes they are.
>>44765
She had the best route in the game.
>>44814
You just have to enter and exit the nightcrawl thing.
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>>43081 (OP) 
If you beat the PC version of Gurumin on the highest difficulty, Parin's model changes so you can see her pantsu instead of just a black void. Since it's a PC game, you can just swap the models and get the panties right away.
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>>45088
I want to play this game now
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>>45089
Why didn't you before?
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>>45095
crippling depression makes me unable to enjoy things I like
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1493910/COROPATA/

Coropata, the incredible machine game with a loli, is on PC/Steam now.
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Gwen-chan :3
>>45111
>Gwen-chan :3
I'm not quite sure how to solve that
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>>45097
Fuck me, that's a bitr pricey for a barebones port.
>>44701
All of Miwashiba's games.
>>44704
>The Imperial Gatekeeper
<Papers Please but its actually good its great.
Just because a game is not shit doesn't mean is instantly a classic specially one with flaws such as:
<None of the non-essential NPC's remember you, even those who you take their virginity
<The essential NPC's remember you just because they were programmed to react to certain events, other than that, it's their first time meeting you every time, like Hana, you can steal her virginity the first time you meet her yet she won't remember you raping her, you helped her pass, that's all
<None of the non-essential NPC's comment on your behavior or the effects of not/letting them pass, not/redressing them, not/cumming inside, etc.
<Can't get them pregnant, therefore can't give birth, therefore no new NPC's
<Fairly short campaign.
The engine has been twisted from combat RPG into the current shape to the point that the game is hardcoded, so modders don't have much drive to force new content into the game since it's too bothersome/time consuming.
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>>45111
GW1 was good.
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>>46238
<None of the non-essential NPC's remember you, even those who you take their virginity
They arent supposed to be the same people unless you use the pen.
<Hana
Why would she make a fuss when she got what she wanted and is trying to pass again?
<None of the non-essential NPC's comment on your behavior or the effects of not/letting them pass, not/redressing them, not/cumming inside, etc.
But they do.

As for the other things, I think you're expecting too much out of a dlsite game focused on the inspection/touching mechanic.
I would love a longer campaign though. Last update added some more post-campaign stuff I think.
>The engine has been twisted from combat RPG into the current shape to the point that the game is hardcoded
None of the games I was talking about even have combat, even newer RPGM is used to make non-traditional stuff like the Dojin Otome games.
>modders don't have much drive to force new content into the game since it's too bothersome/time consuming
There already is mods, most add new NPC's, uncensors and/or try to improve the engrish offical translation. Why would not sticking to the mould make it any harder to mod than the usual RPGM spaghetti?
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>>46251
>Dojin Otome games
I fapped like crazy for a few nights playing あまえんぼ+ recently
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>>46251
<They arent supposed to be the same people unless you use the pen.
You mean the glasses?
<Why would she make a fuss when she got what she wanted and is trying to pass again?
Pic related
<But they do.
Not when you meet them again.
>I think you're expecting too much out of a dlsite game focused on the inspection/touching mechanic.
You're aware that despite being their first attempt into a game like this, it is not their first game and those games have more content that this one, right? 
>None of the games I was talking about even have combat, even newer RPGM is used to make non-traditional stuff like the Dojin Otome games.
I've only played The Imperial Gatekeeper out of those three, since playing as a shota/shouta/boku/-kun and otouto/onii-chan is a turn-off for me but yeah, i've seen
>There already is mods, most add new NPC's, uncensors and/or try to improve the engrish offical translation. Why would not sticking to the mould make it any harder to mod than the usual RPGM spaghetti?
Last time i checked, this was the response i got
>With the PCP mod though yeah it's worth a replay. Procrastinatus tried as much as was possible with the engine limitations to let this game live up to it's potential. There are a bunch of new story characters that have a character arc that plays out each time you visit them in a new level, they get new costumes and you find more info on them. But he told me there were a lot of idea's he wanted to do but couldn't because the engine is just so limiting. Even just the dialog system. I've been rewriting dialog all day today trying to make my own submod to PCP. One such thing I wanted to do what have NPC's make a custom comment if the player has previously sent someone out nude before. But it's not possible, the game can't really remember things like that. The game doesn't really check a lot of things so it's hard to tie events together. So I've resorted to doing simpler one off situations.
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>This editor was in moonrunes until Procrastinatus released a partially translated version the other day with his mod. So it's fantastic we can use it now, but even then it's so limited by design. As you can see you can't even see all the dialog I've written for each box, just one line at a time, then if you click you can see the dialog in the window below. And it's just editing strings, you can't add new strings or get them to reference each other.
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>>46317
>/v/ doesn't need loli porn to exist
Are you asking for it to be removed?
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>>46317
>Essentially all I posted was "/v/ doesn't need loli porn to exist"
>>46255
What kind of game is it?
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>>46435
You play as a shota spending a month in the countryside with your big tiddy aunt and her two big tiddy daughters. It's a free roaming simulation game where you can do various activities in that month including fugging all the girls in the house along with a few girls outside the house.

There is an English version if you are an EOP, but I don't know how good the translation is.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1227890/Summer_Memories/

Sorry if you were expecting a loli game
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>>46439
I saw the steam page but couldn't really get a feel as to what it was supposed to be be.
but you could tell me who that artist is, I know he drew an amazing floor, just can't remember his name. I think he was going blind.
>>46442
You mean rustle?
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>>46443
Thats the dude, I was getting his name mixed up with some other artist. Thanks,
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>>46355
>Nobody was arguing back because of Brandolini's law
That is the most blatant excusefagging I have ever seen, my god.
Pro-tip: nigger cattle like you, who are anti-debate, are the reason that censorship of lolis is so prominent. As someone who will defend lolicons to the death, I know that addressing a symptom(anti-lolicon) is not going to stop the disease(anti-debate).
>>46442
>amazing floor
Tilefag? You're still alive?
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>>46313
>You mean the glasses?
>Not when you meet them again.
No, the pen. Using it is the only way a randomly generated NPC can appear again as far as I know. The rest are random new ones.
>Pic related
I dont remember her exact dialogue from the events and such, maybe you're right.
>You're aware that despite being their first attempt into a game like this, it is not their first game and those games have more content that this one, right? 
I have not played their other games, no. Are they any good? From the looks of it they have less art and use the engine in a more traditional way, which would mean less work.
>Modding
You can extract all the .wolf files and open the game in the editor just like the dev. If you want to add things like random NPC's appearing again and them remembering stuff you would have to script it. A lot of the code is in nipponese like every single variable name and db entry from the looks of it so the problem wouldnt be engine limitations, it would be deciphering moonrunes. From what I've seen mods mostly edit DB entries and art so far.
Stuff like:
>One such thing I wanted to do what have NPC's make a custom comment if the player has previously sent someone out nude before. But it's not possible, the game can't really remember things like that.
Would simply involve making a new variable, finding the script I think they call the scripts themselves "events" for some reason that handles the give back clothes part and then and then setting the variable to true or false depending on the player choice. Add another entry in the Char Dialogue called "Greeting Last Nude" or some such and then edit the dialogue scripts/events/whatever to check said variable and pick the normal or the new greeting. This is basic stuff and it's not hard but moonrunes make it more complicated than it has to be for most.
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>>46495
>Tilefag
Theres some top tier loli that gets posted and the artist drew really nice wooden reflective floors with scratches and everything. very nice floors. unrelated to tilefag.
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>>46511
>unrelated to tilefag
Look, we know it's you. Just share your tile folder already.
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Who would of thought there'd be so much autism?
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>>46513
You just don't understand, clearly this is a different breed of floorfag; tiles and wood aren't exactly super close matches.
Clearly he has a wooden floor folder.
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>>46495
I am the most pro-debate person in this entire internet.
If anyone wants to "debate" in the internet they need to deal with countless retards because "debating" is actually just trying to argue with the lowest common denominator. But if you just ignore them? Not at all.
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anyone got that chart of games with loli casts or player characters?
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>>46552
No one has updated it yet, but sakuna of rice and ruin came out 2 months after this was made, and touhou luna nights added cirno as a secret bossfight.
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>>46515
>would of
Would 
HAVE
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>>46580
he would of used have if he would of had a brain
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>>46579
hey, thanks for the chart and the extra suggestion.
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>>46581
Shit the fuck up, idiots like you are a diamond dozen. Let’s get back to brass stacks - you like cock don’t you? How you even found your way here is a blessing in the skies, especially in the doggy dog world we find ourselves in.
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>>46585
it truly is a doggy dog world, pardoner.
>>46585
I could use some black caulk
>>45111
absolutely underrated post
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>>46579
I started playing Sakuna the other night, just made it through the tutorial, but it already seems pretty fun. Got the Collectors Ed on Switch and I don't know if its the game or my headphones but I keep hearing audio pops.
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>>46585
You guys really need a better way to past the time.
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>>46583
You're welcome, just keep in mind that the playable character in luna nights is sakuya, who is definitely not a loli.
>roll
Have you played the roll-chan romhacks yet? They're sprite hacks of the NES games, no other changes besides making roll the playable character, shame capcom never capitalized on this, they could have added her on 7 onwards as a secret character or even DLC yet they never did.
>>46603
The combat is absurdly fun, but i have to admit the rice farming filtered me hard, usually i'd just ignore it but sakuna's stats are directly affected by the quality of her crops, so half-assing it means you'll run into an enemy you simply can't beat and/or kills you in a single hit.
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>>43114
>15
>babytalk
So close to primo toddlercon bait and the age ruins it.
>>46650
>The combat is absurdly fun
Maybe its just because I'm in the beginning but it doesn't feel nearly as fun as Fairy Bloom Freesia. I'll probably play more of it tonight though.
>>43498
She does babytalk in Japanese, which is characterized by replacing s which ch.
>>46580
No, not have. 'av. That's why it further contracts to woulda.
>>43114
What game is this?
She's cute as fuck.
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>>46658
Holy Sword Legend 3.
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>>46658
What kind of nigger doesn't know Trials of Mana? What are you, a zoomer or something?
  Actually, it just got a remake and release in English of the original game not too long ago. 

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST >zoomer

>>46664
I'm like 30 but I am a pcfag and barely ever play any japshit, but I want to fuck her and enjoy babytalk so.
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>>46664
>zoomer
Speaking of niggers.
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>>46668
Well, you're in luck. The remake is on PC and it's been cracked for a while. You could also just emulate the SFC original.
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>>46671
Thank you for the info anon.
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>>46650
i think i have only played like 4 megaman games. the sidescroller ones were fun, but that battle network game was so boring. played a couple hours on a friend's copy and he was halfway or more through the game. shame roll never had a bigger part in anything considering how much art people have made of her.
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>>46509
>No, the pen. Using it is the only way a randomly generated NPC can appear again as far as I know. The rest are random new ones.
I'm seeing what you mean now and not really new ones, the game just recycles them, i thought the pen just forcefully pulled them to the stage you were playing, if they were part of the type allowed Like how noble lady doesn't appear on the first stage
>I dont remember her exact dialogue from the events and such, maybe you're right.
Hana is the pure love one, Paula is a nympho,  Chrisia is submisive/massochist, Olivea is haughty, Ranzy is a nympho numb to the point of almost being frigid
>I have not played their other games, no. Are they any good? From the looks of it they have less art and use the engine in a more traditional way, which would mean less work.
RJ182139 is more traditional, if you enjoy fem protags that can't understand lust until they're too horny then it might appeal to you
RJ151776 is a more experimental one, athough the whole plot revolves in a single spot, a bar in Eisten, if you like shota brother/older sister then it should be serviceable enough the sister appears as a cameo in the sandbox, she's the slut
>Modding
That info would've been useful like six months ago, now the ones that were trying to mod the game decided to make their own, probably patreon game which will most likely be indev for years to come.
On another note, i'd like to suggest Touhou Kenchinroku/Record of Penis Viewing You're cajoling the residents into filming sex tapes with you/Town Record google translation but is a VN and the artist gave the excuse of evolving his artstyle to the point  he's now unable to draw in his previous style as a reason to leave the story unfinished.
And Daisuki na Sensei ni H na Onedari Shichau Omase na Boku no / Watashi no Puni Puni, pics related, basically a quizz game, sadly it's untranslated and always giving the horny answer will rush you to the end of the game, can't recall if you skip scenes or you just skip being able to go to several houses to teach in a single playthrough, there's also the issue of if you give a wrong answer you'll have to wait a bit before you can load the game to try again so, remember to load before you start teaching and after that since after that you'll have to give either a neutral, a motivating or the horny answer if you were successful.
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>>46522
He's a floorfag, but not a tilefag. It's just another kind of floor that GIVES HIM WOOD.
>>46542
See, you're just proving my point more. You're just making up more excuses for why you don't WANT to argue, dad, it's not faaaaair.
I repeat: nigger cattle like you are why discussion and debate are frowned upon in this day and age. You are just as equally responsible for censorship as any other cultural marxist, because you allowed this to reach this point.
>>46664
>any form of -oomer
FUCK OFF BACK TO CUCKCHANNEL HOLY SHIT
>>46668
Don't encourage it.
>>46664
which would be a better choice to play for the first time the remake or the original?

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