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Why is literally every JRPG set in medieval europe with knights and castles and dragons and bullshit.

What are some non-fantasy JRPGs?
So far I have:
FF7 and 8 - sci-fi settings
Xenosaga - sci fi
Phantasy Star - sci fi
Nier Automata - post-apocalypse future (more action than RPG)
Shadow Hearts - 20th century europe
Valkyria Chronicles - 20th century europe (more tactics than RPG)
...?

Special shout out to Star Ocean
>start out in a space ship
>this is going to be totally different to all the other JRPGs
>10 minutes later
>crash land on primitive planet
>oh no by some weird coincidence it's literally medieval europe
>lets see what's in that castle over there
MY FUCKING GOD

Also disappointed to find out Nier Automata has 20 prequels and they are all dragons and knights bullshit. Thanks for that.
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>drakengard
>dragons and knights bullshit
You haven't played it, have you?
Not that I actually recommend playing either Drakengard 1 or 2, haven't played 3.
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>>137358
>Drakengard
I couldn't do it, anon. This janky proto-musou didn't want me to have fun.
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I like the king's field and souls games because, while they're about knights and dragons, their presentation is very pessimistic and depressing instead of generic animu.

They're not nipponese but I recommend Hylics 1 and 2. They have a very unique art style and a soothing ost.
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>>137358
>you didn't play this game you think you won't like
Brilliant observation.

Every screenshot I see is a dude with a sword riding a dragon with a castle in the background. What even is your point?
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>>137363
Drakengard's plot and setting is a bit more than initially meets the eye.
Again I'm not actually recommending you play it, because it plays like dogshit, but plotwise it's pretty bonkers.
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>>137356 (OP) 
>Also disappointed to find out Nier Automata has 20 prequels and they are all dragons and knights bullshit. Thanks for that.
imagine being this much of a newfaggot
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>>137364
That's cool. If I play it and hate it then your cosmic karma won't be affected.

>>137372
Well according to wikipedia, source of all truth, nobody gave the tiniest fuck about this series until Automata came along and did something different. So. You know.
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>>137356 (OP) 
There's Cyber sluts.
And I guess most SMT games as well.
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>>137361
>They're not nipponese but I recommend Hylics 1 and 2. They have a very unique art style and a soothing ost.
Wow this is why we need to nuke more countries. Nobody except japan can do art properly.
>Infinite Space
Literally space
A lot of SMT and Persona games take place in Japan.
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>>137356 (OP) 
You forgot
>Parasite Eve
It's set in present day Jew York (well in the 1990s actually but it was present day when it came out)
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>>137356 (OP) 
Almost forgot,
>Special shout out to Star Ocean
Try Rouge Galaxy instead. 
The jungle planet might be a bit annoying for you though if you consider not!Aztecs as "fantasy", but after that you should be fine.
>>137384 (me)
Rogue Galaxy*
>>137375
>Cyber sluts
That was a fun web search.

>>137382
>Parasite Eve
I actually downloaded that but was too incompetent to get the emulator working. Will try again.

>>137378
>Persona
Definitely forgot about that. I only played 4. It was literally 3 hours of dialogue at the start ... and then you go inside the TV on rainy days to get transported to a gay bathhouse. And also there's an evil nurse who fucks you if you're nice to her. That's all I remember. Good point though, that definitely counts.

>>137384
>Rouge Galaxy
We'll see.
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>>137384
I see you are a man of culture.
>>137356 (OP) 
>Why is literally every JRPG set in medieval europe
Blame Dragon Quest.
>What are some non-fantasy JRPGs?
Front Mission, Super Robot Wars, Chrono Trigger, Mother, .Hack, Wild Arms, or Disgaea. Yakuza 7 counts too.
>>137388
>I only played 4.
2>1>>3>>>4>>>>5
Mainline SMT is a similar situation but with fewer powergaps.
SJ>3>1>2>>>5>>>4
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>>137356 (OP) 
>Why is literally every JRPG set in medieval europe with knights and castles and dragons and bullshit.
Because of tabletops, and after WW2 folklore and fantasy literature that mainly came from the West were highly popular in Japan, because they were cheaper and easier to obtain than Nippon's own literature which were either destroyed or were never printed. Well-known literature such as Alice in The Wonderland,  The Lord Of The Rings, Grimm's fairy tales, etc etc caused a fascination of medieval European culture within the nips.
>>137374
actually "no one" cared about it until a PS4 game came out
since PS4 had almost no games for the duration of its life any game that did come out for it had skyrocket sales (same happened for persona 5)
it's one thing not to know about drakengard there was even already 1 (technically 2) nier game before automata
There's Mother 1,2 (Earthbound), 3; that Soth Park game (not japanese but plays like JRPG); Live a Live (at least not until the last part), Secret of Evermore, Pokemon, Persona and Megaten, Anachronox (again, not japanese but plays like a jrpg)
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>>137374
>Something different
It's almost the same gameplay as the original Nier
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>>137436
By something different he probably meant giving the main character one of the most detailed asses in vidya history
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>>137437
I can't argue with that
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>>137356 (OP) 
>Why is literally every JRPG set in medieval europe with knights and castles and dragons and bullshit.
Because unlike Amerimutts the Japs love Europe.
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Wild Arms is a series of western (as in cowboys) RPGs. 3 is pretty neat, and the main character is a cute lesbian.
>>137448
>and the main character is a cute lesbian.
She is just friendly.
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>>137436
>drakengard plays like the original nier
In what sense? Drakengard more or less plays like a miserable parody of a musou while Nier's a regular hack n slash of that era with a magic system.
>>137448
How do they play? I'm aware they're turn based JRPGs as I've played 4 but despite not liking that I recall mostly enjoying the combat mechanics(had hexes and some hexes were elemental flavored to change up your skills).
>>137450
>'ve played 4 but despite not liking that I recall mostly enjoying the combat mechanics(had hexes and some hexes were elemental flavored to change up your skills).
The other games play more like traditional jRPGs, no hexes.
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JRPGs suck, go play a real mans RPG like deus ex!
So are there any GOOD JRPGs out there?
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>>137457
Nioh
>>137356 (OP) 
World Ends With You on the DS and the sequel, I guess
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>>137450
Wild Arms 5 has the HEX system as well, albeit in a more refined form. XF also uses the HEX grid as a tactical RPG.
>So are there any GOOD JRPGs out there?
I kinda liked Words Worth. The only translation I'm aware of is machine translation though.
Chrono Trigger was neat.
Utawarerumono is probably neat, haven't played it yet.
>>137450
No, I'm saying that Nier Automata plays the same as the original Nier
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>>137356 (OP) 
The Ar Tonelico series has a really unique setting.
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>>137388
>I only played 4.
so your opinion is worthless
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>>137449
First two pics are official art. XF is more ambiguous.
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>>137418
>Front Mission
Fire Emblem with mechas sounds cool.

>Wild Arms
I tried a Wilds Arms on a PSP emulator. The hexagonal grid broke my brain.

>Disgaea
It retains the medieval ascetic despite the space pirates and other crazy shit.

>Persona 2 > everything else
Ok then.

>>137496
>your opinion is worthless
T-thanks.

>>137437
This guy gets it.

>>137435
>stuff no one every heard of
Thanks I'll have a look.

>>137448
>wild arms again
Do all the games use those dumb chibi sprites or is there one with actual graphics?
>>137490
Yeah no kidding I was looking at these pictures without reading what thread it was thinking it was some kind of scientology schizo map of the world/reality
>>137502
Relax anon, thats just the way SMT autists are, they have a chip on their shoulder and blame persona for everything  that went wrong with their franchise, even when it doesnt make any sense
>>137502
Front Mission is absolutely great, I also recommend it.
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>>137356 (OP) 
>What are some non-fantasy JRPGs?
Caligula
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>>137499
I can't into moonrunes, what is happening there?
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>>137490
Didn't the translation got fucked?
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>>137502
Persona 4 is actually the best one
retards only like 3 because it is older and based on Evangelion (which is shit btw)
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>>137567
I couldn't care less about whatever drama is going on between you and the fat man. Your autism is completely meaningless to me.

>>137571
>based on Evangelion
Did Hashino say that? I rarely read his interviews, but it sounds like something he would say.
>>137448
>3 is pretty neat, and the main character is a cute lesbian.
I remember hearing about this before. 
Do you get female party members that she flirts with or is just with NPCs?
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>>137579
There's no overt romantic angle in the game, which is odd compared to most other PS2 JRPGs. She does have sort of a "senpai-kouhai" sort of relationship with a more experienced female drifter who she really wants to acknowledge her potential, which some fans seem inclined to read further into. Media.Vision seems to have taken note, be it seriously or as a joke, and worked it into post-release official art, like those calendar images there. At least, that's my memory of it, and it's been years since I played Wild Arms 3.

The reception from fans there could explain something about Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth and its own official art though, since Bamco handed that pair of games off to Media.Vision to develop.

>>137502
>I tried a Wilds Arms on a PSP emulator. The hexagonal grid broke my brain.
That would be the tactical RPG one. The rest of are all traditional JRPGs, and the HEX system in 4 and 5 isn't hard to grasp since the field isn't tactical RPG sized.

>>137502
>Do all the games use those dumb chibi sprites or is there one with actual graphics?
The series is sort of low budget, and in the case of WA1, I get the feeling that combat being in 3D was forced on them by Sony, consider how the out-of-combat spriting looks good. 2's combat models are improved, but still a bit deformed. 3's character models I feel could have been more of an intentional stylistic choice, or maybe Media.Vision was still getting used to the PS2. ACF, 4, and 5 all have more properly proportioned character models (compare something like how Tales went from Symphonia's modeling to Abyss'). The series wasn't exactly a big budget one in general to my knowledge.

>>137552
NISA handled Ar Tonelico 1, 2, and Qoga. The second game's had a completed fan retranslation for years now though, and includes a full undub and restored and translated content dummied out from the Japanese version too, if I remember correctly.
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>>137552
All translations are fucked.
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>>137591
>tfw will never know the deep lore lost in translation of SM64.
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>>137356 (OP) 
>>137418
>Blame Dragon Quest.
That's unfair to Dragon Quest. Game has robots, Nip folklore, steampunk and modern aesthetics. In fact the only theme they don't use much is "futuristic", then you're pretty much set for all kinds of worlds.
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Off the top of my head

>Xenogears
>Ys VIII
>Neptunia games
>Blue Reflection 1/2
>omega quintet
>>137590
>NISA handled Ar Tonelico 1, 2, and Qoga. The second game's had a completed fan retranslation for years now though, and includes a full undub and restored and translated content dummied out from the Japanese version too, if I remember correctly.
What did they do to AT 1 and Qoga?
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>>137356 (OP) 
Try shin megami tensei! Its post apocolyptic.
If you fucking hate yourself, are mentally ill or just want to fucking suffer with absolutely no benefit from it, then SMT is the series for you!
To list some ones I didn't see mentioned, I've heard good things about the Metal Max games on imageboards for years now, the SaGa games are all over the place in aesthetics, and I would not recommend Xenoblade X but it does qualify. More arguable ones are the two (soon to be three) Xenoblade titles and maybe some shit like Skies of Arcadia I haven't played that one.
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Are there any JRPGs similar to Earthbound?
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>>137633
Undertale :^)
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>>137550
There's no text though
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>>137537
>Caligula fag is still alive
Cool.
>>137356 (OP) 
Op, the fact that you know Automata but not Drakengard says you are a newfag, it's one of those games anons use a lot with reaction images like Deus Ex, even if you have't played it you should know it.

Lurk more, how did you even find this place? I'm curious.
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>>137356 (OP) 
>shadow hearts 
Should I beat that before starting covenant? I've head mixed opinions.
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>>137639
>should I beat this game before starting a direct sequel
>>137637
I'm talking about this >>137448 you nerd!
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>>137605
as much as I love dragon quest I would say steampunk and robots are more generic fantasy than anything at this point
it might seem weird to think about it but if you reflect on it a second you realize a lot of the most popular fantasy properties have them:
Final Fantasy, Elder Scrolls, Warcraft, Magic the Gathering etc. all have pretty liberal amounts of robots in them
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>>137646
Robots are literally futuristic though, even in the modern age our robots are mostly pretty rudimentary
>>137356 (OP) 
Go play NIS games such as Disgaea or Phantom Brave.
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>>137662
Should've ctrl+f my suggestion first.
>>137502
>It retains the medieval ascetic despite the space pirates and other crazy shit.
In what way though? Disgaea is arguably more unique since it takes place in that game's version of hell with unique locations and creature. None of it scream medieval fantasy to me, I would say a game like Soul Nomad is much more traditional fantasy than Disgaea.
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>>137639
>Should I beat that before starting covenant?
Covenant had a bigger budget and is a much better game in every way. I would only recommend the first Shadow Hearts if you liked Covenant and want to learn the backstory.

Shadow Hearts sperging
It's 3-4 character turn based battles like Final Fantasy. But there's extra dimensions to it.

Instead of a hidden RNG occasionally deciding your attack missed there is a spinning ring you have to stop at certain points on the circle for the attack to work. So there is a little bit of skill and concentration needed. The ring also has small red critical hit areas that are harder to catch so there's some risk calculation as well. Do you go for high damage but harder to get right attack or play it safe this turn.

Instead of everyone standing in a line the battles take place on an invisible grid. You can't really move around but everyone starts in different places each battle. Some attacks, especially magic, have different areas of effect (straight line, sphere around the target, straight up from the ground etc.) So different attacks work better depending on where everyone happens to be on the grid. The screenshot shows a straight line attack that will hit 2 enemies.

Some attacks move the enemies around, like knock them back or into the air or from air to ground. So you can group enemies together to make an area of effect attack work. But characters also have combo attacks. So one character knocks an enemy into the air and then the second character does a high attack scores extra damage.

And then each character has unique skills as well. The Russian princess has a camera to take photos of enemies and then you can summon them to do a single attack (how summons used to work in PS1 era Final Fantasy). There's an old man wizard with a little girl doll (which is fine apparently). You collect dresses for the loli and which dress she wears affects how much damage attacks do (red dress does more fire damage etc). All the characters have their own thing.

So even though it's a standard turn based RPG they added a surprising amount of depth and detail to it.

I don't remember the story that much but the characters are fun. It's set in WW1 europe. There's a japanese guy who can transform into demons, a german officer chick, a french weightlifter, an italian bimbo, russian princess, a talking wolf and so on. One amusing thing is the insight into what japanese game developers think european stereotypes are.

>>137638
>how did you even find this place?
Webring. I mostly post /tech/ /b/ /pol/
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>>137663
>In what way though? Disgaea is arguably more unique since it takes place in that game's version of hell with unique locations and creature. 
Well the starting locations are generally castles or wood house villages. I admit I don't get far with the plot I always get sucked into grinding the item world.
>>137502
>Thanks I'll have a look.
Anachronox just happens to be 86% off in steam, which is less than 1USD. In case you're one of those weirdos who don't like pirating games.
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>>137685
>Anachronox
>steam
Isn't that version of the game unbeatable due to some bug? Better to find a GOG download I think.
>>137646
>as much as I love dragon quest I would say steampunk and robots are more generic fantasy than anything at this point
ok but they did it first in the context of jrpgs, plus they're objectively modern or future tech
I mean, they had them, plus vodoo dolls and greek inspired monsters in 1987 when most other copycat had sludge and dragons
>>137670
Thanks for the sperging on Shadowhearts. I had a save on my slim with freemcboot but the laser is shitting the bed. I was thinking about just emulating it but that would mean starting over. I already know what happens in the game so besides the artstyle and tone being ace I don't think I'll be missing anything. 

>calling you a newfag for not knowing about Drakengard
Don't listen to that faggot, Drakengard sucks and no one even talks about it here.  Also you should play it, its a trip and leads to the events in Automata. Yes Drakengard is in a fantasy world. Yes its still directly connected. No I won't tell you why I'm asking if you like rhythm games.
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>>137780
Except I didn't call him a newfag, he called himself a newfag.
>>137780
>No I won't tell you why I'm asking if you like rhythm games.
I like rhythm games but I cheesed that Drakengard segment by pausing to see what was coming next since it was annoying. I didn't find the rest of the game that bad except for the awful draw distance making you need to constantly pull up the map just to see where the enemies 10 feet in front of you are.
Drakengard was a cool shitty berserk game. It's a shame the rest of the series is edgy LNs for teen girls and jap twinks. Tomato's ass isn't enough to save the setting from being gay as shit.
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SaGa II and III. They're sort of like Phantasy Star with a mixture of fantasy and sci fi. But with cartoony artistic themes.
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>>137356 (OP) 
I got the perfect game for you, OP!
>>137356 (OP) 
sorry man, I love old Final Fantasy like FF7 and FF8, but they have magic and that shit's fantasy. Sure it's Techno Fantasy but if you want real sci-fi you need something a little more focused on the technical shit, like Front mission.
If your ok with science/techno Fantasy stuff like FF7 and FF8 then Chrono Trigger and Secret of Evermore which does the mixed sci-fi fantasy stuff pretty well, and I really love Saga Frontier 1 (2 campaigns have high sci-fi shit with kamen rider/power ranger shit and the other has a robot MC) they are good old squaresoft stuff.
There's at least one Megaman JRPGs, Megaman X Command Mission and battle network, very sci-fi RPG but battle network is a little different combat.
Now there is a lot of NIP sci-fi I wont recommend to you because you asked for JRPG.

Reading the thread, I want to second Rogue Galaxy because I only played a little but it seemed pretty sci-fi and also Mother if that passes. I've never played Wild Arms or Xenosaga but they always looked cool.
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>>137632
Also, from the same developers as Skies of Arcadia you have Nostalgia for the DS, which has a 19th century steampunk thing going on and aside from going into real world historical locations and the myths surrounding some of them a bit there's not much else that's remarkable about it.
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>>138352
>Also, from the same developers as Skies of Arcadia you have Nostalgia for the DS
Not really. One of the developers, Red Entertainment was responsible for Sakura Wars, and the game was co-developed by Matrix Software as well. Unless they borrowed some specific staff, Overworks (or them under the more recent Sega R&D1 name) didn't have much if anything to do with Nostalgia.

>>137633
Contact, maybe? I recall hearing one of the higher ups at Atlus' US branch cleared it to be brought west because it reminded him of Earthbound in tone.
Because gunplay is not very compatible with rpg formula.

Play doHna doHna by alicesoft. It's about a gang of kids raiding hospitals for medicaments, everything else for resources, and kidnapping girls into prostitution to get money. They almost shit themselves when cops start using real ammo against them.
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>>138377
>alicesoft
Let's see what these fucke...
>delicious Porno
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best girl
2 reasons.

Nips wish they were white the same way mutts do.

Wizardry was super influential with the Japanese game devs which lead to all the JRPGs. Since Japan is a dumb fuck island where they can't innovate for shit just refine the same concept over and over, we now have Wizardry refined to pokemon sword and shield.
>>138377
Resonance of fate is all about shooting. It does have its share of knights, but your main form of attacking is shooting and you fight things like tanks, robots, and dogs with guns.
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Pokemon and Digimon
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MS Saga is about mobile suits that gleefully mashes together every jRPG cliche and every Gundam cliche and runs with it. It's a pretty fun game, at least till you get to the volcano dungeon in America. I think it it's safe to drop after that because it drops the most interesting thing about its gameplay (building mechs and customizing them) in favor of giving you a bunch of OP MSes one after the other that the game is balanced on you using.

Intro
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=N2Ig7YNXcd4
(Game was released in English, but the intro music is instrumental only)
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>trails of cold steel
would calling it dark fantasy/steampunk be right? Its not traditional medieval at the very least
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>>137439
fun fact, the same way baka gaijins idealize japan, there are a subset of die hard european fans in japan, and once they realize the bleak reality of europe, they fall into depression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
>>139419
>that tiny Nazi symbol with the eagle on top
Based nips.
>>137356 (OP) 
Have you ever heard of Metal gear, OP?
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>>139698
If Metal Gear counts as a JRPG, is there anything that doesn't count as one?
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>>139708
Morrowind
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>>139716
That's also a JRPG
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>>139723
Dragon's age
>>137356 (OP) 
>Why is literally every JRPG set in medieval europe with knights and castles and dragons and bullshit.
because you are a retard who hasn't even heard of 10% of the JRPGs that exist? 
>nobody recommended metal max yet
Play Metal Max
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>>139835
yes
Tell me more about metal max, it seems interesting from the little i looked up and the music for the games seems ace
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>>139857
High level of freedom, autistic tank customization, wacky-ass enemies, and you can preemptively kill your quest by making up with your estranged father or by settling down with your waifu. I don't know if the Xeno games are any good, but they're lolcalized by NISA, so whatever you do, don't pay for them.
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>>139890
I recall seeing anons that played it years back considering Xeno shit from a writing perspective in a way beyond even what NISA could do (though I'd wager they just added to the shit pile). And from news I remember seeing about the new version, they brought in a different character designer who seemed dead-set on making them (the girls especially) more "realistic" than the previous hentai artist's takes were, and while the original art is still in game, it's locked to NG+ or something to force players to have to put up with the redesigns at least once.
>>139463
It's shit is what it is, and this is coming from someone who actually liked the Colesteel series.
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>>139912
It is probably the only series I would never ever recommend to anybody ever but enjoy playing personally. The dungeons are fucking horrible though and are easily the worst part of the games.
>>138193
>ff7 and 8 are not fantasy
Why did no one call him out until your post?
>>137356 (OP) 
Anime is so fun because it's such an escape from our world. Science fiction is closer to home.
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>>139912
didnt say it was good
i still liked it
:(
>>140372
Because technically speaking any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.
Also read the OP you faggot
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