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Firstly, The reasons why Rhodesia actually lost the war;
Everyone knows that the world sanctioned Rhodesia to undermine it. Most people know that South Africa also betrayed them, though fewer understand why.
Now that the basics are out of the way, there are darker reasons why Rhodesians lost the war.
Simply put, they lost the war because they were weak, because they were selfish, and because they were infected with liberalism.
Any rational person who looks at the Rhodesian conflict objectively will understand that the blacks did not give two shits about communism or capitalism. They were interested in one thing and one thing only; black power in a country they thought was theirs. (whether this is true is irrelevant)
Thus, we can state that this conflict was not an ideological struggle but a racial war. An ethnic conflict of black vs White.

But this is not how the Rhodesians saw it. I have watched hours and hours worth of interviews, personal stories, and archive footage from Rhodesians both during and after the conflict. And literally every single one of them claimed that they actually believed that they were in some sort of ideological debate against the merits of communism. They believed that most blacks were noble and "lovely" people who were their good friends. That the problem was the "bad blacks" who were being fooled by communist propaganda and that communism was bad for blacks. They actually thought that claiming that something is bad for blacks is an argument that anyone other than a White Rhodesian gave a shit about.

It was a race war but only one side understood what was going on. Embarrassingly for the Whites, the niggers were playing chess while the Rhodesians were trying to play checkers. 

How familiar does this sound? It sounds identical to the conservative Americans who insist that the Democrats are the real racists and that despite overwhelming numbers of blacks who vote for the Democrats, that somehow they will win the niggers over to the "party of Linkun" by presenting niggers with rational arguments against liberalism. But niggers do not care about liberalism. They understand that liberalism is just a code word for "fuck the Crakkas". They are voting based on the racial war in which they are engaged against Whites.

This obsession with communism is what doomed the Rhodesians. Instead of engaging the actual problem which was blacks, they went out of their way to help blacks under the false hope that somehow this would win them over to the Rhodesian "cause," which was nothing more than not being communist.
Rhodesian store owners who went out of their way to help blacks were stunned that their kindness was repaid by arson.
In literally every single interview a Rhodesian gave to a journalist that waddled up to him, the Rhodesian would insist over and over that they were not racist. Then he would begin the typical conservative powerpoint presentation on why they are not racists. And the journalists would smile and nod and say, "Yes, but you are racists. And racism is bad. You are bad."

Liberalism is the obfuscation of reality through wordism. A liberal refuses to address any issue or problem directly, but instead chooses to view everything through multiple filters of wordist idealism. The Rhodesians were so obsessed with the word communist that they failed to see the race war they were in. They fell completely for the trick.
Communism is a spook word. It means nothing. ONLY White people take it seriously. Every other race on the planet intuitively understands that "communism" is just a code word for "Get money from the USSR to get rid of Whites."

The Rhodesians had a race problem that would not be solved by combating communist ideology but by combating the source of the problem; blacks.
The Rhodesians refused to solve their demographic problem by reducing the number of blacks. 
The Rhodesians won the debate on the merits of communism. But no one was arguing about the merits of communism. They were killing White people so that blacks could take their land and homes.

The last days of Rhodesia
This set the stage for the death of Rhodesia. And let's not kid ourselves. The Rhodesians lost the war.
They did not win the war.
They did not draw the war. 
They lost. 
Badly. 
More completely than almost any war in history. They lost so badly that they are now extinct as a nation.
Even Germany survived WW2 as a nation.
>But wait, what about that one time that 20 Rhodesian Short Shorts Bois kill 4 million blacks?
>Didn't America kill 99 billion vietnamese during the Vietnamese war? Doesn't that mean that we win?

>"The story of the Rhodesian armed forces during the civil war is one of tactical brilliance and strategic ineptitude."
It does not matter how many enemies you kill if you surrender the next day.
By 1979, the Rhodesians were losing 1000 Whites to emigration every single month. That is because the blacks practiced an actually intelligent strategy of racial terrorism against the Whites. They wanted to make it clear that staying here would lead to a brutal death along with your entire family. So they left.
Every White who left took with him his economic productivity and manpower. Since the Rhodesian military was built upon the backs of Whites, this sapped their ability to wage war while sapping Smith's ability to fund the war.
By 1979, the Rhodesian security forces had lost effective control over up to 80% of the country. The roads were mined and only the White settled areas were fully under control. Even these would be attacked by mortars with increasing frequency.
By 1979, the Rhodesian economy had lost thousands of tons of fuel due to the 1978 attack on the Salisbury fuel depot. With no fuel, they could barely maintain their small airforce, which was their only military advantage by this point. The blacks had better vehicles, better guns, and anti-aircraft technology. They even had tanks, poised to invade from Zambia. Which, btw, was now the launching point of a united front between the two rival black forces; ZANLA and ZIPRA.

The Rhodesian army, sapped of White manpower, had now been forced to rely on black recruits which were likely to defect to the conventional black force. They probably would have killed tens of thousands of blacks. But eventually, the dwindling Rhodesian army would be driven back to Salisbury by both the enemy force and whatever black units defected. It would have been like the Turner Diaries in reverse.

For videogamy people, Rhodesia was like playing HOI4 and getting into a war as a country on 0 manpower and then losing your fuel.

How Rhodesia could have survived and won
Rhodesia was betrayed consistently by every single entity which it placed trust in. The British, the American capitalists, South Africa, their Christian churches, and the "good blacks."
To be frank, Rhodesia was utterly doomed because they were weak, selfish liberals. Rhodesians were stuck up conservatives who would scoff at the harsh, realpolitik acts they would need to do to survive.
However, here is how they might have been saved if the Rhodesians could overcome their obstinate liberalism and embrace truly radical solutions to the race problem.

Ideally, they should have exterminated the blacks during WW1 or something, then offered refugee status to any right wing Whites willing to serve on the front lines against the Zulus. Germans, anti-communist Russians, Hungarians, even French people! Everyone being dispossessed by the collapse of the old order should have been given land in Rhodesia and a gun.
But failing this, the year is 197x and the military establishment meets with Smith and explains how things are going to go down.
>"We can win many battles, but so long as the demographic, and that is to say black problem remains unresolved, we will lose this war eventually. But if we try to remove them, America may invade us to stop us from resolving the problem."
>"I see..."
Smith sends a prestigious, secret diplomatic mission to the USSR.
>We are prepared to negotiate a very beneficial agreement with you.
>We would like to become communist. We are prepared to offer you incentives which even your most loathsome puppet states will be hard pressed to beat. But there are a few requirements which we must have from you. If you do not agree to our terms, there will be serious consequences for you.
>Firstly, we will invite your military to be stationed in Rhodesia. You may set up as many nuclear missiles as you please. In fact, the more the better.
>Secondly, we will nationalize ALL mineral wealth extraction and sign the mining rights directly to Soviet "companies" or whatever you communists call them. You will have unlimited extraction rights for 10 years and we will renegotiate every 10 years thereafter.
>In exchange, you will give us x-billion dollars a year for the rights. But 70% of the money you give us, we will use to buy weapons from Soviet manufacturers. As I said, you will benefit immensely from our deals. We aim to be your staunchest little ally.
>You will supply us with scientists to help us develop nuclear weapons, which we will only use in our defense.
>You will recognize us as a sovereign communist state and we will redesign our government to reflect the "dictatorship of the proletariat" thing you have going on (basically, the flag changes colours and several government positions get new communisty sounding names)
>We will vote for whatever policies you ask us to in the UN. The world is irrelevant to us. Consider us a second USSR vote.
>But... you will leave us to handle our internal matters. You will no longer push for black rule in Rhodesia. And you will cover for what we are about to do; What you did to the Ukrainians and the Poles and the Germans and the Finns and the Chechens and the Crimean Greeks
>Since you covered for this, I'm sure you can bring yourself to cover for what we are about to do to resolve the threat to our national survival.

>If you refuse this offer, then we will fight the blacks but we will focus almost exclusively on USSR backed rebels so that if we do lose, China will gain and you will not. 
>Before we lose, we will invite the Americans in and grant THEM exclusive mining rights and allow them to "democratize" us.
>If you reject our generous offer, the communist backed blacks may still win, but they will be your rivals. Every single bullet you send to the blacks will be an irrevocable waste.

When the Soviets arrive, the announcement is made. Rhodesia chances its flag, changes its party name, and changes what they call things that already exist. The Rhodesian media makes the new order clear; Dollar signs are bad now. Hammers and sickles are in vogue.
While it may be confusing for the lemmings, if the Rhodesian elite were made of sterner stuff, they would understand what is going on and switch out their support of one meaningless wordism for idiots for a different wordism for idiots.
Then they begin resolving the black problem.

There is already a state of emergency in effect. This means that all regions are military districts. Given that communist... now reactionary terrorists are threatening the security of the state, new measures are imposed to prevent counter-revolutionaries from sabotaging the worker revolution. Namely, blacks living near the border areas are moved into camps deeper within the country. What happens is up to debate. These camps, which exist for the protection of blacks, are a tricky institution to run. Blacks riot over nothing so soldiers would need to put down the violence by force. Maybe they could be marched out of the country, resettled into Mozambique. I'm sure they will love having hundreds of thousands of potential doctors and rocket scientists dumped into their country. Who wouldn't?
Maybe terrorists might detonate a series of bombs in the resettlement camp. Personally, I am skeptical of mass slaughter and would try dumping them on enemy neighbors instead. But whatever happens, happens.
This process could take many years, targeting the blacks one district at a time. Resistance would be treated the same way that the Soviets treated ethnic resistance.

Communist Rhodesia would be hypocritical if it did not invite all the dispossessed (vetted) White workers from the world in and, in accordance with Rhodesian communism, give each man a plot of land to farm and more when he has a family and children. When Portugal collapses, Rhodesia offers citizenship to all Portuguese political refugees. Since they were fascists in all but name, this only further affirms Rhodesia's defacto third positionism. By 1990, Rhodesia will be a White island in Africa. They will be armed with soviet weapons and embracing an ideology of racial socialism thinly disguised as communism. They will be a nuclear armed nation. And when the USSR collapses, they will offer refugee status for all soviet troops. But regardless, the weapons will remain right here for safe keeping.
As South Africa is betrayed by its "friends" the instant it was no longer useful, Rhodesia invites all the dispossessed Whites shelter in Rhodesia. After all, Rhodesia has a LOT of land that was suddenly vacated by the Africans.

Sadly, now Communist Rhodesia is a rogue nation, like North Korea. Fortunately, they have nuclear weapons and the assurance to the world that they will use every single one before they go down. The first two decades would be rough. But with the USSR gone, the soviet mining corporations would revert back to Rhodesian control. And once Russia regained its footing, there would be strong contacts between the two nations which might allow for a renewed cooperation in Africa.
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Whoa dude holy effort post!
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>>215693
I was thinking about Rhodesia, American conservatives, and demographics recently.
All that aside, why the fuck would you want to "save" Rhodesia? Rhodesia is a terrible place to live for White people. Look at where it's situated on the planet; the UV would destroy any Euro's skin in short order without constant, conscious protection. Rhodesia was stupid and so was anyone who wanted to live there.
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>>215760
No particular reason. I'm not Rhodesian, but I always feel sad when any culture is snuffed out.
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>>215764
I don't think Rhodesia had that much "culture" to begin with, to be fair. It was a bad idea.
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>>215767
No more than American is. The truth is that after a century or so, any population that develops a unique identity effectively becomes its own ethnos. 
Some ethnos are ancient, like Germans. Others are new, like American. Some have had nations as old as time, like Greeks, others only recently have attained sovereignty, like Slovakia.

I'm not saying that Africa is a great place for Europeans. I am not even a romantic Rhodesbu. What I want is for White people to reject any wordist barriers to doing whatever is necessary to preserve our race into the next century, wherever we are. Plus, I thought it would make an interesting alternate history that Rhodesia performs radical solutions to survive against the odds. I also think it would be neat to expose communism as an empty ideology by using it to do the one thing that modern communists find unthinkable; Helping White people survive.
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I have been studying Rhodesian history lately too and flipping thru the old magazines they used to make. I have copies 21-40 of Rhodesiana Society magazine, they are up on Internet Archive, as well as a few copies of RLI magazine. Fascinating study in our people's history, and the way they spoke was funny, you gotta learn a whole new language to operate in the bush with them, total kino. Their history is something we would do well to take lessons from and apply to the situation we face now. I agree with you 110% about the "wordist" issue, they should've done the ugly things needed for survival. Anyone who is not willing to get down and dirty and roll around in the muck with the swine for our continued survival, well... it may just be better for us all if they don't survive whats to come. Eugenics and all that. 88
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>>215797
Perhaps because of my own experience, I have a natural affinity for embattled White minorities fighting against the current for survival. Plus, I have great sympathy for a White underdog nation. I wish they had been a little bit thicker skinned but that's a problem we all face.
most of this conflict and politics would not happen if people would collectively agree to install breeding programs that ignore or erase marriage and ban dating. Unfortunately humanity is such an individualistic and mystic nincompoops for that to happen.
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>>215859
cont.
breeding program to make everyone in the future natural whites, and later natural ethnic whites.
>>215690 (OP) 
Good post, and I agree with you that it would have worked. Most of the eastern powers only embraced the USSR and its creed because they knew liberalism was poison, and they found they could practice a form of sovereingty under that banner they could not otherwise do. This also proved the USSR was amenable to such arrangements. 
But, like you observed, Rhodesians were tainted by Enlightenment ideals and so were unable to muster the will to life because doing so would have made them “bad guys” to hook nosed nerds with a television crew (like they weren’t already.) 
Sometimes it seems like everybody except cuckservstives and milquetoast liberals understands you MUST answer terror with greater terror, not nigger faggot words and gibs (fentanyl floyd riots).
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>>215909
I was recently watching an interview between some BBC freak and Ian Smith. The reporter ran circles around Smith because Smith was shackled to the concepts of liberalism. Instead of being able to say, "No. I will not allow blacks to rule over Whites," he had to dance around the issue and pretend to support democracy while coming up with a byzantine and obviously hypocritical rational why not to do this. And eventually the reporter just called him out on it and Smith just sat there making a "oh shit" face.
Boy, I'll bet the shitlibs in London laughed their asses off when they watched it. 
This reporter, went around Rhodesia interviewing the poor, helpless farmers, soldiers, and business owners just obliterating them by asking simple questions.
Literally every single one yammered on and on about how this war was an economic debate and how they weren't racist. Then the reporter asked if they supported majority rule and they were all like, "uh.... I g... uuh, yes why I can't see why not... it's just that, uh.... it depends on several factors..."
>LIKE WHAT?
"...uh"

I hate these people so much. This is YOUR country! The journalist will not arrest you if you say, "Because I don't want to be ruled by niggers, retard."
You can say "black people" if you want but these timid idiots were made to look like fools because their beliefs were hypocritical. 

It's not hypocritical to want power for your own race and to oppose it for an enemy race. That's a fully consistent world view.
Why did they even agree to be interviewed by a fucking journalist faggot in the first place?
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>>215920
>pic3
Is that fujobait? Why does he have his shaven legs so exposed?
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>>215931
That's a Rhodesian uniform you twit.
>>215931
>lowkey admits he is turned on by seeing a man's knees.
Why are you ghey?
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>>215939
Secretly? Shit bruh. I want that spussy.
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>>215940
>t.
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>>215941
I know this is bait, but I feel compelled to inform your dumb ass that manimo aren't furniggers.
U fucking nigger.
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>>215942
>nigger meme
>"based"
Like pottery.
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>>215944
Obsessed.
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>>215945
>no goy, you cant have pattern recognition
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>>215946
Who are you quoting schizo? The voices in your head?
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>>215947
He's just trying to get (you)'s
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If the world was to implode on itself one way or the other and politically insignificant regions are spared from the fallout would nations like Rhodesia be able to be reborn and become the new cradle of civilization?
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>Rhodesian ((( People's ))) ((( Republic )))
have you noticed how every corrupt shithole regime is always a ((( Republic ))) ((( People's ))) or ((( Democratic )))?
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>>216431
If they're White, yes.
If they're not, nope.
Maybe Asians could do it. idk.

>>216433
Corrupt people make corrupt countries.
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>>216435
corrupt people make friends with ((( Bergs ))) and ((( Steins )))
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>>216436
That's why you have to keep them out of your party, your media, and your nation.
Make no mistake; It was liberalism that killed Rhodesia. Not communism.
Communism is just a codeword for "blacks get money from uncle Khrushchev by waving a flag around"
But liberalism is a codeword for "Whites should bed down with blacks and let them into our homes."
Another option for Rhodesia that takes us back before the 70s is for Rhodesia to revolt against Britain in 1939. However, this story only can end in defeat and black rule by 1960 at the latest. Nuclear umbrella is everything.

Short of changing outside forces, I see no realistic way for Rhodesia to survive except by rejecting communism in a true sense and realizing that becoming communist is meaningless. The word is meaningless. Communism is meaningless.
Continued resistance would have led to an even worse White genocide and every other power was fanatically anti-White to the core.
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>>216439
((( liberalism )))
((( Communism )))
Two sides of the same Jewish Coin. 
rhodesia would've been fine if it were a medieval Feudal kingdom, the only Non-Jewish governmental system. 
Then the rodhesians just had to wait in their castle while the CommieNiggers starved to death.
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>>215779
>The truth is that after a century or so, any population that develops a unique identity effectively becomes its own ethnos. 
I strongly disagree. There are differences, but overall, New World Anglo colonies like the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand all have a very profound sense of similarity to each other in "culture". And I can't think of a "nation" more effectively devoid of culture and soul than Singapore. 

>What I want is for White people to reject any wordist barriers to doing whatever is necessary to preserve our race into the next century, wherever we are.
I agree, but with caveats. Colonialism isn't helping White people. It'd be far more optimal if we were primarily concentrated in Europe, our homeland. It'd be consolidating the numbers and retaining rule. 

>I also think it would be neat to expose communism as an empty ideology by using it to do the one thing that modern communists find unthinkable; Helping White people survive.

Well, Communism isn't really anymore "empty" than any other ideology. Most socialist governments have been quite nationalistic (USSR, DDR, Hoxha's Albania, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, China) and have all done a far better job at retaining their demographic character than more capitalist nations. 

I think the utility of colonialism has come and gone and it now provides an overall detriment to our people. The New World is vapid and disconnected from us. It's better to go back to where we began and build from there.
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There is nothing stopping a small dedicated group of White people taking over a small African country again.
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>>216460
And why would we want to? You want to live in a place that's going to have a dogshit climate, sear your skin with intense UV, have no economy and will be targeted for immediate destruction by the entire world?
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>>216462
>have no economy
Stealing, natural resources and slavery.
>and will be targeted for immediate destruction by the entire world?
It is better for the entire world to be against you than your own country. Anti-Whites control the institutions in the old and new world alike and they will not willingly part with them no matter how hard you vote.
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>>216466
>Stealing, natural resources and slavery.
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>>216454
That's not how reality works.

>>216457
The Angles were very similar to their German ancestors for hundreds of years too.
>Singapore
It has no culture because it's a multi-cultural shithole dictatorship.

Look, I agree. Colonialism was bad for White people. But what happened happened and once White people build a home somewhere, we owe it to each other to defend our brothers wherever that is so long as they do not backstab us. Now, did the Rhodesians backstab others?
Maybe they did. I do find it kind of funny when I listened to an interview of a WW2 vet. Boy, he sure is proud that he bombed Germans for wanting to be free from British rule. They always failed to see the irony. 
Does that mean that they should be thrown into the darkness? idk. Governments tend to exploit people's natural patriotism. We need to become more Irish... or maybe less Irish. We just need to get smart.
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>>216466
Where?
Also, the Rhodesians had the benefit of an airforce and they still lost. If the blacks wanted to, they'd easily be able to defeat a couple dozen Whites with AR-15s.
Don't fall for our own propaganda.
>>216474
>But what happened happened and once White people build a home somewhere, we owe it to each other to defend our brothers wherever that is so long as they do not backstab us. 
I wholeheartedly agree, but at the same time, some situations are less optimal than others. First of all, South America, Africa, etc are horrible places for White people to live. They're the complete opposite of the environment that's natural to us. There's a reason why Australia and New Zealand have the highest rates of skin cancer on the planet. We shouldn't be trying to build societies in such poor conditions. Second, all the New World countries are in demographic freefall. They are all highly capitalistic countries addicted to immigration because of their economic models. The situation is unfixable. It can be marginally improved, sure, but they will never be "ours", unlike our native homeland. 

>Boy, he sure is proud that he bombed Germans for wanting to be free from British rule. They always failed to see the irony. 
For the record, I hate the entirety of WW2, but it was something Hitlerism brought on itself. He betrayed and stabbed his comrades in their backs and the entirety of Europe and thus was delivered the consequences. 

>Does that mean that they should be thrown into the darkness? idk.
I don't think so. I'm from the US, but I want to move to Europe. That's my ancestral homeland and has the greatest concentration of my people available. It's objectively the most strategically sound choice. If that works out, I'd like to start a plan to encourage more of the diaspora to return home, but whether they choose to do so or not is up to them. 

>Governments tend to exploit people's natural patriotism. We need to become more Irish... or maybe less Irish. We just need to get smart.
Agree on all fronts, especially about getting smart. If you ever want to talk productive strategy, swing by my thread in /pol/. IMO, White Nationalism must operate economically. That is the only tenable path to influence and power.
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>>216478
Ah yes the eternal Jew will surely allow us to get into economics.
>>216478
How did Hitler betray his comrades?

I wouldn't mind living in Europe. If you can assimilate, go ahead. However, I believe that the only solution to White genocide globally is revolution in the USA. Any revolution in one of America's Delian League states will be crushed. The beast must be weakened or slain first.

Amazingly, I forgot about /pol/
I hang in /fascism/ now.
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>>216499
>How did Hitler betray his comrades?
Easy, Night of the Long Knives. It was an act of pure evil. He also betrayed the White race by initiating a devastating war in Europe to fuel his German chauvinism. He is and remains an extremely overrated "leader" and is/was a piece of garbage. 

>I wouldn't mind living in Europe. If you can assimilate, go ahead.
It's not difficult. You basically just have to learn the language. 

>However, I believe that the only solution to White genocide globally is revolution in the USA. Any revolution in one of America's Delian League states will be crushed. The beast must be weakened or slain first.
The problem is that that is not going to happen. However, getting more White people back to the homeland will drain the US of human capital and hurt it economically, weakening it in the long run. The US is in a state of decline and will continue to do so. All you have to do is "not interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake". 

>Amazingly, I forgot about /pol/
I hang in /fascism/ now.
I considered posting there, until I read their rules. I'm bisexual and firmly believe in the unity of White Nationalism and that includes White, ethnocentric LGBT people. As such, I will not be using that board as I am against the rules. The invitation remains open to you, however, should you or anyone else from that board want to swing by.
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>>216522
>Easy, Night of the Long Knives. It was an act of pure evil.
Killing communists isn't evil.
>He also betrayed the White race by initiating a devastating war in Europe
No he didn't.
>I'm bisexual
That explains it.
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>>216529
>Killing communists isn't evil.
It is when they put you onto their shoulders and help put you into power. You seem to not understand the original NSDAP was much more socialistic and Hitler basically hijacked the party for his own self-serving agenda. 

>No he didn't.
He did. He invaded Poland and Austria, knowingly triggering a war that he knew would eventually kill millions. He was an enemy of White people and only cared about himself and Germany. 

This is all historical fact. I'm not sure why you're denying it. Hitler was a piece of shit and brought destruction to the people of Europe.
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>>216522
>initiating a devastating war in Europe to fuel his German chauvinism.
He invaded Poland to defend Germans being oppressed by Poles. It is the British & French elites who initiated WW2.
>You basically just have to learn the language. 
I'd lack the family connections and rootedness of natives. My family has been American before the Revolution. Though I also have more recent arrivals from before WW1.
After that, none. I have zero connection to local heritage and while it's true that the culture of Europe has been eradicated by globalism, it matters to me that I would have no tangible connection to the locals. I'd always be "that American."
>getting more White people back to the homeland will drain the US of human capital and hurt it economically,
Not in an appreciable way. The US has enough wealth and inertia to last for generations even without White people.
>All you have to do is nothing
No. Without any external force, the system can and will last for generations. In fact, it can last indefinitely. 
> I'm bisexual and firmly believe in the unity of White Nationalism and that includes White, ethnocentric LGBT people
Very rare.
I don't lose my mind over fags but I've always found that the pro-White ones are squishy on a lot of issues. Plus I just find it weird. Why would you want to get fucked in the ass? Don't answer.
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>>216538
>He invaded Poland and Austria
Austria invited him in. It was German.
Hitler only wanted the German majority areas of Poland. This amounted to, at most, Danzig (90% German) + small areas in the west.
That's it.

>He was an enemy of White people 
That is retarded. It is as retarded as saying that White revolutionaries are the enemy of White people because they killed anti-White shithead FBI agents.
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you guys a fucking delusional and not thinking straight.
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>>216593
>He invaded Poland to defend Germans being oppressed by Poles.
Such a flimsy excuse. First of all, those "oppressed" Germans could've just left. Second, Poland had previously been the receivers of German aggression and colonialism; those Germans were on Polish land. Nazis are dindu-tier in how they always dismiss German imperialism and act like they did nothing wrong. 

>It is the British & French elites who initiated WW2.
No, it was factually Germany. Germany invaded Poland and started WW2. He did not have to invade Poland, but he did. Again with the dinduism. 

>I'd lack the family connections and rootedness of natives.
That shit doesn't matter. You just talked about Germans living in Polish land, but then you care about "rootedness". It's Europe, brother, the whole continent created our people. 

>My family has been American before the Revolution. 
Oh really, what tribe do they hail from? Cherokee? Iroquois? (I know "American" is different from Native American, but I'm making a point). There's no such thing as "American". It's a fabricated and meaningless label. The US could cease to exist and you'd still be White. You could move to China and you'd still be White. That flag means next to nothing. It's like saying Gypsies are European. They're not. They're colonists, just like the Euro diaspora is on this land. 

>After that, none. I have zero connection to local heritage and while it's true that the culture of Europe has been eradicated by globalism, it matters to me that I would have no tangible connection to the locals. I'd always be "that American."
Who cares? I've been living in the US from birth and I've yet to feel a shred of connection to this country. You can always assimilate and that's easy to do if you marry a local. We're all different, but I honestly feel like you place too much of a premium on fitting in. 

>Not in an appreciable way. The US has enough wealth and inertia to last for generations even without White people.
You're right, but demographic change is going to take a toll. Regardless, overthrowing the US is a pipe dream. It will not happen. Realistically, the best way to function (against the US) is to be economically potent and useful (as in an entity outside the US). Supply goods and services that make you valuable on the international stage so that it becomes a more disagreeable position to work against you. Outside of some sanctions, Russia has completely gotten away with invading Ukraine because they supply energy to Europe. That's what I'm talking about. Diplomacy and economy can go a long way. I know you probably think it's impossible, but it's not. It just requires emotional intelligence and a commitment to providing value. 

>No. Without any external force, the system can and will last for generations. In fact, it can last indefinitely. 
I mean, you're right. Personally, I also think that White people should work on a kind of cultural separationism within America to start with. For example, I want to make videogames. Instead of saying my videogames are American, I'd say they are a product of my Whiteness - think of the way Black people are so adamant about "this is Black filmmaking, or Black music or Black cooking", etc. They identify first and foremost as Black. That's what White people should start doing. Fight Club isn't American culture, it's White culture. 

If I do stay in the US, that is the avenue that I will pursue and try to spread to others. 

>Very rare.
It is relatively rare, yes, but there is also nuance to it. I know you don't want to hear it, but most LGBT White people find Whiteness to be the most attractive - even Antifa fags on Tumblr begrudgingly admit that the "Gay Waffen" guys are hot in the midst of smearing them (Gay WN Tumblr users). I've come across ethnocentric lesbians, trans people, gays and of course bisexuals like myself. From Walt Whitman to Michael Kuhnen, LGBT people have always been a part of White nationalism, more than I think people realize.  

>I don't lose my mind over fags but I've always found that the pro-White ones are squishy on a lot of issues.
Such as? 

>Plus I just find it weird.
That doesn't mean it's wrong because it's not. I use "normie" sites and routinely advertise my White identity. A lot of people find that "weird" but that also doesn't mean I'm wrong for being that way. People are always hostile to some degree of what they can't relate to; it's just human nature. 

>>216594
>Austria invited him in. It was German.
Right, but look at it from the Allied view - oh look, an excuse to fight Germany. Really, it was Poland that did it, but Austria didn't help. 

>Hitler only wanted the German majority areas of Poland. This amounted to, at most, Danzig (90% German) + small areas in the west.
Which was Polish land colonized by Germans after German imperialism against Poles. He used violence against other White people for his selfish German supremacism, similar to what Russia is doing to Ukraine. I'm part Hungarian, but I would never advocate trying to retake land from Romania because that's fucking wrong. We're supposed to be coming together as a people, not apart. 

>That is retarded.
It's objectively not. When Hitler came to power, there was no war and Germany was recovering. He chose to betray Europe and plunge it into destruction, just like he chose to betray his comrades in the SA and murder them. He was an evil man who prioritized his ego, of which German supremacism was an extension of. Remember in Mein Kampf when he was talking about the mixture of "races" in Vienna and how he hated it? He was talking shit about other White people. When you choose to murder millions of other White people for your own gain, you absolutely do deserve the title of anti-White and that's what Hitler was, a cancer to White people. 

>It is as retarded as saying that White revolutionaries are the enemy of White people because they killed anti-White shithead FBI agents.
No, that is different. Law Enforcement are traitors to our people and they explicitly chose that path. Hitler explicitly chose to betray Europe. He is the great betrayer and none of the admiration for him is remotely warranted. 

Let me cap this off by saying that even though we are in disagreement, I mean no hostility towards you. I am tired of all the ankle biting in White Nationalism and disagreement doesn't equate to hatred in my eyes, so please do not interpret me as trying to willfully antagonize you.
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>>216651
>Such a flimsy excuse. First of all, those "oppressed" Germans could've just left.
Fitting response from a homosexual, do you expect the British and the French to flee from their homelands too now they are filled with foreigners?
>those Germans were on Polish land.
Would you support the Irish undertaking an extermination campaign in France because Gaul is rightful Celtic land? Would France's self defense be evil?
>but I'm making a point
Are you?
>There's no such thing as "American".
There's no such thing as a "European". Europe could cease to exist and you'd still be White. You could move to China and you'd still be White.
>Who cares? I've been living in the US from birth and I've yet to feel a shred of connection to this country.
>Right, but look at it from the Allied view - oh look, an excuse to fight Germany.
Now the threshold for starting a war is making an excuse? Germany didn't have to invade Poland for the war to start because Britain or France would have performed a false flag operation.
>Remember in Mein Kampf when he was talking about the mixture of "races" in Vienna and how he hated it? He was talking shit about other White people.
Believing that different nationalities should not live in the same place or mix with each other is normal in Europe, the only reason you find this detestable is you are a White(?) mutt.
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I respect your opinion and when I say fag, I do so with no disrespect for you personally. Hitler isn't my god and I admit he made mistakes. Like not doing the Holocaust as advertised. But in seriousness, while I hold the governments of Poland, Britain and France as more responsible for the war, I admit that Hitler could have handled it a little better.
An anecdote from some general is that when Hitler learned that the UK had declared war on Germany, Hitler looked at his staff and asked, "What do we do now?" as if in shock.

I agree with you that fighting over shit that happened 90 years ago is silly. I think he was justified, you think he wasn't. Fine. We can figure this out once we have access to the real archives of the jews. Assuming we can win in our lifetimes. 

>those "oppressed" Germans could've just left. 
Danzig was 90% German. Poland had no right to occupy it. They were even violating international law by doing so.
>Poland had previously been the receivers of German aggression and colonialism
Oh so that justifies it?
Okay, then Germans were justified in invading Poland in response to Polish aggression against Germans in Poland.
It's just a silly position to take
>Atrocity from the past X justifies us committing atrocities now
<Okay, then atrocities they're committing now justify what we're gonna do later.
>Germany invaded Poland and started WW2
Germany initiated the German-Polish War of 1939. It was Britain that turned it into WW2.

>brother, the whole continent created our people. 
I've defended Poles vehemently in the past. But throwing the Germans under the bus is cringe.
>what tribe do they hail from?
The most savage of them all; England.
>There's no such thing as "American".
Facts on the ground beg to differ. A nation is an idea. If you raptured the US government & all of its institutions and then partitioned the territory by Mexico and Canada for 20 years, the concept of America would persist and probably lead to a brutal insurgency.
Here's how I determine what is and is not a distinct nation. If we partitioned group X by its neighbors for 30 years or so, would there still be a brutal insurgency to free the nation?
Obviously, there is speculation involved in many cases. In Ireland, we can say; Yes, Absolutely, 100% they are a nation, we salute them, holy shit were they intent on not being conquered. 
Poland? Absolutely, no doubt about it, they proved beyond a doubt that they are a nation, so long as Poles exist, Poland is not yet dead.
America? I believe that if America were partitioned between Mexico and Canada, Americans would be fighting tooth and nail for the next century.
At least, I hope so.

Kuwait, probably not. Luxembourg, probably not. Honduras, probably not.

>overthrowing the US is a pipe dream
I do not believe it is impossible.
>I also think that White people should work on a kind of cultural separationism within America to start with.
I agree.
That's what needs to happen. I'm doing what I can and will do more in the future. 
Your ideas are good. 
Actually, you might like the book, The Brigade, which is about a successful insurgency explicitly against America. In fact, Harold Covington, an American, wrote a lot on why he believed that America is a horrible concept and that we should fight to distinguish ourselves from America. It comes off strongly in his writing.
That said, he also doesn't like fags.

>I know you don't want to hear it, but most LGBT White people find Whiteness to be the most attractive
Well, I certainly don't see much evidence of it.
I will say that one homosexual I really respect and that is Ryan Faulk. That man is among the finest content creators we have. It is a shame he makes his content so difficult to find.

>Such as? 
I mean, the whole hating National Socialist Germany bit is one example.
I also see a lot of fags in the civic nationalist angle of the struggle. 
>People are always hostile to some degree of what they can't relate to
True. I'm not friendly towards gays but I'm not fixated on it. If we can actually stop being replaced by these psychotic third worlders and execute the sneering freaks who are bringing them in, I will be happy.

> look at it from the Allied view - oh look, an excuse to fight Germany.
Yeah, that's the real issue. The Allies wanted to fight. Poland was an excuse.
I believe that Hitler should not have invaded, but I do not blame him.
> He used violence against other White people for his selfish German supremacism
It's okay to use violence against White people if they're hurting your people. You agree that our blood is not so sacrosanct that liberals are not to be harmed just because they're White. But it is simply ridiculous to say Hitler was a race traitor.
The Poles were behaving unreasonably and caused the war. They should have seen the writing on the wall and offered a compromise. They knew that they were occupying more than they had right to. They should have asked Hitler to return a small Polish majority region in Prussia in exchange for Danzig. This would have been a brilliant diplomatic move because it would have challenged Hitler at his own game. If he refused, then his claim that a German majority region should return to the Reich would look ridiculous.
It would be like Mexico winning a war with America & annexing Texas. America demands 1 small county of Texas back and Mexico freaks out and refuses. Well, Poland suffered very dearly for their bad diplomacy. They lost their sovereignty for half a century along with all their eastern territory. Unlike the lands they gained from Germany, Poles had been living there for a thousand years. Very sad.

>When you choose to murder millions of other White people for your own gain
He did not murder millions of White people. Britain and France chose to create a world war over a 90% German city. Germany defended herself. Furthermore, calling the casualties of a war murder is a bit ridiculous. It's like saying that Empress Elizabeth of Russia murdered millions of Europeans by being involved in the 7 Years war. 
>in Mein Kampf when he was talking about the mixture of "races" in Vienna and how he hated it?
It's true that Hitler viewed Slavs as inferior to Germans. I don't deny that. This was a common belief at the time. Even Churchill believed that Slavs were inferior to Germans, and he hated Germans.
But look, is it a good thing to mix everyone together? You know it's not. In fact, if you really want to shame Hitler, you ought to point out that he engaged in or sanctioned programs similar to the race mixing shit jews do in Poland. He sought to mix out the Poles with Germans. I admit, that's fucked up.
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>>216669
>Fitting response from a homosexual
:O 
That bi-erasure was uncalled for. 

>do you expect the British and the French to flee from their homelands too now they are filled with foreigners?
Danzig was not the homeland of Germans. It was land that Germans took away from Poles. 

The more important point is that it's wrong to murder other White people over land and flags, full stop. Everyone has been guilty of it, but if we're to go anywhere as a race, we have to leave behind the petty nationalisms of yesterday and move forward. 

>Would you support the Irish undertaking an extermination campaign in France because Gaul is rightful Celtic land? Would France's self defense be evil?
They moved to Ireland, so why would they want to go back to France? Germany had always been plundering Polish land and they again had no right to do so in 1939. Germany has a population of 84 million as of today. It was 70 million in 1938. They didn't need the extra land, especially with rejoining Austria. It was an issue of pure greed. 

>There's no such thing as a "European".
There is, though, that's just the name we gave to it. If you take a DNA test, it will trace your ancestors to Europe, not the US, because this place is not where your ancestors evolved. "White" is just a euphemism for European. False equivalence. 

>Now the threshold for starting a war is making an excuse? Germany didn't have to invade Poland for the war to start because Britain or France would have performed a false flag operation.
That's pure conjecture and even if it were true, the fact remains that Hitler still decided to aggress against other White people to the east for his personal ambition. Nothing you've said has remotely justified that evil. 

>Believing that different nationalities should not live in the same place or mix with each other is normal in Europe, the only reason you find this detestable is you are a White(?) mutt.
Correct, I am a White mutt. Thankfully, we have history to prove my position right. The more united Europeans are, the better they would've been able to resist outside aggressors like the Mongols, Arabs, Ottomans, etc. The reason why we even had such colonization of Iberia and the Balkans is because everyone else threw their hands up and said "not my problem" even though it indirectly was. Obviously, Pan-Euro sentiment is a relatively new thing, but it's how we operate in the New World and it is objectively the best. White prisoners don't segregate into German-Americans, Slavic-Americans, Italian-Americans and so on; that would be stupid. Everyone who is European joins together against other races. Now, with globalization, even people in the Old World have a sense of Whiteness, even if they still cling to their nationalisms. We should all have solidarity with one another and I believe in the collective beauty of all Europeans, not just some. The dominance of the US has demonstrated the potence of what happens with even half-assed Pan-Euro aggregation under a civic nationalist paradigm.

>>216691
>I respect your opinion and when I say fag, I do so with no disrespect for you personally.
It's fine, lol. I've been on IB's for a while, now. 

>I agree with you that fighting over shit that happened 90 years ago is silly. I think he was justified, you think he wasn't. Fine.
I'm glad you don't worship Hitler; a lot of people genuinely do. Regardless of our difference on the subject, what is important is that we both embrace the Pan-Euro ideal as that is what is optimal for our race. We don't need anymore Russia-Ukraines going forward and that is another great shame that should've never happened. I'm not a WN because I hate other people; I'm a WN because I (begrudgingly) love my own.

Comrade Strasser talks about this in Germany Tomorrow and the EU should be replaced with a European Confederation. We should maintain the independent uniqueness of each culture, but also come together as a whole and permanently end all "brother wars". 

>Danzig was 90% German. Poland had no right to occupy it. They were even violating international law by doing so.
Because of colonizing and stealing that land from Poles. It was their land in the first place. 

>Okay, then Germans were justified in invading Poland in response to Polish aggression against Germans in Poland.
>It's just a silly position to take
Again, that was Polish land that was forcibly colonized by Germans through conquest. That was wrong and will always be wrong, just like instigating a second World War and murdering millions of our people was and always will be wrong. It's not right to kill millions of White people and drag Europe into destruction due to chauvinism. This isn't even debatable because we can see the effects of the decision today and it was clearly and indisputably the wrong course of action. 

>Germany initiated the German-Polish War of 1939. It was Britain that turned it into WW2.
Thank you for admitting what Hitler did and I will partially agree with you here. All parties are at fault, including Germany. 

>The most savage of them all; England.
Please do not use a semicolon here. A semicolon is used to join two complete sentences. It should've been a comma. Sorry to be a grammar Nazi, but it agitates me when people misuse the semicolon. 

>Facts on the ground beg to differ. A nation is an idea.
We're getting into pure subjectivity, so I won't debate you further on this. I don't consider myself American, never have, never will. I'm White and that's it. If you want to be red, white and blue, so be it. It doesn't appeal to me. 

>Actually, you might like the book, The Brigade, which is about a successful insurgency explicitly against America.
Maybe I'll look into it one day. The folks at leftypol have also been piling on the literary recommendations by the truckload and between that and school, my docket is pretty full. I'm still trying to get through my already existing book backlog as it is. 

>Well, I certainly don't see much evidence of it.
I mean, you're a heteroid, so I would assume you don't actively seek out faggot content like I do and thus have less perspective on the matter. 

>I will say that one homosexual I really respect and that is Ryan Faulk. That man is among the finest content creators we have. 
I love Alt-Hype and fully agree. Some of the most qualitative and solid research I've seen put into form. I've been looking on Bitchute for him, but he seems to have cooled off on the scene from what I can see, but I've also been out of it for a while, myself. 

>I mean, the whole hating National Socialist Germany bit is one example.
I don't see how that's wrong, though. You've been receiving my thoughts on the subject and it should be evident why I don't like it. Not to mention, NS Germany was highly anti-LGBT. 

>I also see a lot of fags in the civic nationalist angle of the struggle. 
Seems proportional to the heterosexuals in it. Civic nationalism is far more popular these days. 

>Yeah, that's the real issue. The Allies wanted to fight. Poland was an excuse.
Exactly, just like how the US agitated for war against Japan (don't get me started on how this country has fucked over Asians, too). I do however blame Hitler for playing into their hand, but that is why he was put into the position that he was, to do just that. 

>It's okay to use violence against White people if they're hurting your people. You agree that our blood is not so sacrosanct that liberals are not to be harmed just because they're White. But it is simply ridiculous to say Hitler was a race traitor.
Of course I dislike self-hating White people and the traitorous, but I still view Hitler as a variation of the latter. He made a conscious decision to plunge Europe into war and consequentially murder millions of people. I will always hate him and National Socialism for that, along with the Night of the Long Knives. I'm not a very moral person, but the one thing that I firmly believe in is not turning on your comrades. After Knives and added to Poland, Hitler will always be a human piece of trash in my eyes, along with his cronies. 

>But look, is it a good thing to mix everyone together? You know it's not.
Dude, I'm a Euromutt. I'm not some lily-White Anglo or Nordic. I have almost equal proportions of every cardinal direction in Europe. I know all Euros aren't equal and that's OK to me. I still value them all and hating any of them is something I find disagreeable. I fully support Pan-Europeanism and as much unity as possible.
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>nazbol is a literal fag
News at 11.
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And yet I can get girls and you cannot.
>virgin as an insult
>on zzzchan
newfag outs itself again. have fun talking to yourself in your nazbol faggotry thread on pol and desperately linking it here (and failing lmao) for attention.
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>>216723
>virgin as an insult
It is. You're a non-reproductive and are probably that way because you're dysgenic and unlikable. 

>have fun talking to yourself
It is infinitely preferable to talking to you and the female sex seems to agree. 

Haha, you're gonna die alone, lol.
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>literal fag thinks it is genetically hygenic and should breed
<a-ackshually i like screeching into the void about my fag ideology
<i totally do so much sex dude, with women btw
>>216724
That last line was excessively mean spirited. I apologize, even though you're a jerk.
>/b/tards getting owned in argument by an actual pinko
What a normal Friday.
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>being retarded enough to think pinko (literal fag btw) has presented any competent arguments
shiggy diggy
>>216710
>colonizing and stealing that land from Poles. It was their land in the first place.
This is like the nigger slavery argument for reparations.
If poland had a right to occupy Danzig because Germans were mean to them in the past, then Germany has a right to occupy all of Poland up to the Vistula because Poles committed genocide against Germans and colonized their land in 1945.
>just like instigating a second World War and murdering millions
I already addressed this. Empress Elizabeth is as responsible for war time deaths as Hitler is.

>All parties are at fault, including Germany. 
Then are Churchill and Beck also responsible for murdering 20 million people?  Just where does the responsibility end? Are generals responsible? Are officers following and giving orders also responsible?  
>Not to mention, NS Germany was highly anti-LGBT. 
Yeah. Most White history is. And given the politics of the vast majority of faggots, I understand why.
It's been only 50 years or so and look how the vast majority of faggots act. It's obscene. And they almost all vote for genocide.
>Seems proportional to the heterosexuals in it
Fair enough. It's possible. I don't know of any statistics on what percentage of White nationalists are gay. Though I'd bet money it's a lot lower than the alleged percentage of faggots among the masses. Even so, we can't trust these polls either because of all the dysfunctional middle schoolers who say they're a faggot to get attention. 

>Dude, I'm a Euromutt. I'm not some lily-White Anglo or Nordic.
Okay but if we somehow mixed all Poles with all Lithuanians, we would destroy both nations. That would accomplish in a single generation what generations of partition and occupation did not. The actual genocide of a culture.
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>>216771
Poles were tards, Hitler originally really liked how they BTFOd the commies in the aftermath of the great war but then the Kikes exploited their inherent tendencies to hate anything that isn't 199% pure Polish haplotype which Hidler wasn't ok with.
The Führer himself however was the biggest tard for viewing Slavs as nigger subhumans instead of fellow oppressed eastern Aryans, unlike the Rhodesian war Unternehmen Barbarossa should've never been viewed and conducted as a race war it largely wasn't due to field officers sidestepping Hitler's tantrums whenever they could but instead a multi>ethnic effort to remove Gommunism with what and whomever was available except for kikes, but in 99% of cases kikes=Commies so that wasn't hard either.
Rember that Hohols suck Kraut cock to this day with Ruthenians and Baltic Slavs at the time not being opposed to a united anti-Soviet front at all, fuck's sake shitloads of ethnic Russian defectors and POWs had high hopes for there being an ebin Free Russian Army and later on State/Republic under German observation but at least not that of Stalin or ((( the JewK ))), but that didn't pan out even though any moderately non-retarded Strelok would've hired them at a moment's notice or at least tried to listen to the various anti-Soviet collaborative government committees that popped up on their own without any German funding/intervention unlike the typical NATrO Color revolution of the current years.
But of course the gay commie traitors in the OKW kept feeding Hitler lies and literal poison so he kept doubling down on mUh LebEnsRaUm/Generalplan Ost and well know how that ended up.
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>>216783
>Poles were tards,
Why would you negotiate when the strongest empire in the world just gave you an unconditional war guarantee. Churchill started WW2 not Hitler.
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>>216784
Except da stronkest Empire with its hueg navy is a mid-sized sea cockblocked by a geographical chokepoint away, has been trying to avoid a repeat of WW1's endless trench warfare by trying to or pretending to avoid war altogether while your immediate western neighbour has been trying to avoid a repeat of WW1 by setting up fast, mobile mechanized formations crewed by autistic Prussians and Prussia-trained Germanoids who are peering right across the 30km gap they need to cross to completely eliminate all access to your only port which in itself is the primary underlying cause of all the ethno-diplomatic problems due its adjacent city being majority German but not permitted to be part of Germany becuase Woodrow Wilson was very intelligent, also in addition to the arguably the best armored corps in the world the filthy G*rms also possess a top tier disproportionally large air force with a focus on CAS and tacticool precision strikes using the latest in aeronautical technology and doctrine with formations lead by combat veterans fresh out of Spain while (You) have horse cavalry and a few outdated biplanes to oppose this, oh and your eastern neighbour is Britain's natural enemy with comparatively infinite resources and even less willingness to negotiate on anything but a total unconditional surrender.

Hell, even with France being part of the Alliance what the flying fuck did the Poles expect, especially after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
France in WWI wasn't able to break through German lines for almost 4 years of constant trench assaults and only achieved such a feat after the arrival of fresh American meatbags to catch German artillery shells, even the smaller Wehrmacht in 1939 would've far, far outlasted any Polish conventional military resistance should the French and British have opted for a direct assault from day 1 onwards, regardless of any german military success in Poland proper due to the USSR being an ally of Germany at that point in time with its own interests regarding Polish clay.
Also slightly offtopic but when is the US going to drop any pretense of piss with the illegitimate Chinese and station nukes in Taiwan while ordering its NATO faggot vassals to reestablish formal relations with the legitimate Republic of China?
LGBT are mentally ill and should be excluded from all authority. That way, jews are included, but so are literal fags. Same damage.
>>216862
The (my) sentiment would probably get instabanned on Reddit, so I don't understand the application of your image response.
I realize where the confusion arose. What I meant was this: LGBT are mentally ill and should be excluded from all authority. That way, jews are also excluded, but so are literal fags. Same damage.
>>216868
And I corrected myself already, champ. Sorry for mistyping, it happens.
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>>216868
You come off as subversive & seething. Everyone on this site, including you, knows that his statement would be instantly banned on reddit.
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NTA but I tried reddit, banned within 5 posts. Tried instagram (lol) banned with 3 posts. Don't forget, you're here forever!
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I'm not a Communist and I'm just trying to have discussion. I'm not trying to "own" anyone. 

>>216771
>This is like the nigger slavery argument for reparations.
It's not. It's the equivalent of someone breaking into your house, stealing from you and then doing the same thing later because they think they have a right to your house since they raided your fridge and took a nap on your bed while you were away. 

>If poland had a right to occupy Danzig because Germans were mean to them in the past, then Germany has a right to occupy all of Poland up to the Vistula because Poles committed genocide against Germans and colonized their land in 1945.
Poland didn't "occupy" Danzig. It was their original land that was stolen in the first place. 

>I already addressed this. Empress Elizabeth is as responsible for war time deaths as Hitler is.
>Then are Churchill and Beck also responsible for murdering 20 million people? 
Absolutely. They are all complicit to the atrocity. 

>Just where does the responsibility end?
Everyone in a leadership position that decided to go to war is responsible, Stalin, Churchill, Hitler, FDR and everyone else. They were all wrong for it. 

>Are generals responsible? Are officers following and giving orders also responsible?  
To a lesser degree, but yes. At some point you have got to stand up and say "we should not be sending our young men to die and murdering our neighbors, even if it's a dereliction of duty. It's just the same with how the US military and police were responsible for enforcing desegregation and the Covid ordeal. 

>Yeah. Most White history is.
And that was wrong. 

>And given the politics of the vast majority of faggots, I understand why.
The majority of White heterosexuals are against White ethnocentrism, so the majority of White LGBT people being similar is a double standard. The people that identify as LGBT in the US varies from 3.5 - 5.6%. From what I've seen in my travels around the internet, I would say that proportion at least reflects the amount of LGBT people that are either WN's or have proximal sympathies to it. 

>It's been only 50 years or so and look how the vast majority of faggots act. It's obscene.
I do partially agree with you. There are some problems within LGBT and I myself admit that, but you're also focusing on the most visible ones, not necessarily the majority. The idiots having sex in the streets and advocating for Drag Queen readings do not actually reflect a majority of LGBT people and there is already significant pushback against such things like this:
https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/

>And they almost all vote for genocide.
Similar to how a majority of Western European heterosexuals vote. This is all generally proportional from what I've seen. 

> I don't know of any statistics on what percentage of White nationalists are gay. Though I'd bet money it's a lot lower than the alleged percentage of faggots among the masses.
I'm honestly not so sure. Ernst Rohm. Alt-Hype. Edmund Heines. Michael Kuhnen. Russel Veh. Nicky Crane. Walt Whitman. LGBT have always been in the scene and from what it seems, we've also had a disproportionate influence on it in regards to our percentage within it. Hence, this is why the term "homonationalism" even exists. If you're interested, even this concerned globalist made an entire video about reluctantly admitting the everpresence of LGBT in the "far-right":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhTq1IWlSLI   

Collectively, our race, regardless of sexuality is not where we should be with ethnocentrism. We ethnocentric LGBT have stood loyal to our people, even as the majority of other ethnocentrics have actively been hostile to us. We have always been a part of White Nationalism and we always will be, regardless of how everyone else hate us. 

>Okay but if we somehow mixed all Poles with all Lithuanians, we would destroy both nations
It's not necessary to do that. I propose a European Confederation similar to the EU without the obvious toxicity where we are all unified, but still retain our independent characters. That preserves those cultures while still allowing for the further proliferation of Euromutts like me (which is already what peoples like Hungarians and Bulgarians already are). Imagine if Europe had been united against the Mongols. The Arabs. The Ottomans. And now, we face a new wave of oppression and colonization, in which we are all once again divided. History is teaching us a very clear lesson and if we are to move forward, we have got to learn from it. 

Anyway, let me again cap this off by saying I appreciate talking to you and I appreciate the relative tolerance and ability to discuss such things.
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On God FR what are you even talking about is that Rohdsa even a country bro I read your entire post 3 times in the last 3 days trying to educate myself but NGL I didn't get anything.
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>>217352
Not OP, but please tell me this post is satire.
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>>217353
This is a pseudo-avatarfag (random 2D girl art with "idk" on top) who acts like a zoomer. I don't know if he's a LARPer or an actual brainrotted zoomer.
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>>217353
>errrm... there's like no way...  didya really... oh my science... like yikes...
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>>217377
Those pupils scare me.
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>>217323
Oh, I forgot to put Death in June into my list of LGBT WN's which is a big faux pas seeing as he's the most famous WN musician after Varg, so I'm correcting that now.
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